Originally Posted by daylate
Man has been waging war for as long as he has been in existence. I would think anyone would realize that it is a part of human nature and will be here as long as we are. Better to realize that and take steps to defend yourself than to isolate and quickly be conquered and controlled. After WWI, many Americans were in the "mind our own business" camp until Dec 7th 1941

Originally Posted by Irishguy
...I understand that you have to defend what is yours, your stuff, your land, your people, your country, but war is just a bunch of powerful rich guys wanting more shit than they already have. The human race should be beyond all this crap by now. The Swiss figured this all out in 1815...

I think the reason that a country gets attacked is either:

A. Some powerful, crazy leader wants your country's stuff.

B. You country is meddling in stuff they have no business meddling in.


I think in hindsight both of those things were going on when Japan attacked us in WWII. Japan had some pretty militaristic, nationalistic people in charge and wanted access to natural resources and were actively taking them. At the same time the US was actively trying to constrain them. We are basically doing the same thing to China right now that we did to Japan prior to WWII, except on an even larger scale. I think we call it the Containment strategy.

The United States has a very long history of meddling in affairs that we really have no business meddling in. Each time we justified that it was all in the name of National Security. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I can't think of a time that another country attacked us, because they wanted our land and our stuff. Being separated by two oceans helps a lot.

I think we need to decide if we...

A. Want to live over here in peace on a heavily defended island.

or

B. Want to be the World Police and every time some other country does something we don't like, we send our boys and girls over there to fight and die.


The problem with the "A" is that none of us that is alive right now remember us ever doing anything other than "B" and to do anything else would makes us seem weak.

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