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Yall are right religion want change anybody. If you ever get a relationship, you will be changed.
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BPI, what if tithing was not associated with the only the Law of Moses? You are correct, we are not bound by the mosaic law anymore, but are we bound with commands and promises given in the Old Testament that weren’t only associated with the law? Oh, I agree that the heart of God hasn't changed. Its just the way we respond now is different. We should sacrificially give as God purposes in our heart. The Jews gave 1/10 to the Lord in all kinds of offerings that were really complex. It was much deeper than just a 10% "tithe". And I agree we can look back at the O.T. and see how a believers posture should be while giving and how God blesses obedience. Sacrificial giving is a good thing and I believe is part of being obedient. But IMO scriptures associated with N.T. giving, or offerings are completely different than O.T. "tithing". For example - A modern day believer has connections with people who are hungry and homeless. They have no bibles and have great needs. This believer sacrificially gives to these people so they can eat, be clothed, and be saved and discipled. But, this Christian doesn't give that money as a 10% tithe to the church that is already doing well financially, Does this mean the believer is being disobedient ?
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Also worship is just not restricted to the church building on Sunday. Our lives are our worship.
I’m not in the crowd believing everything we do in life is worship. I do believe we can worship outside of a church building and on days other than Sunday, but all of life isn’t worship. If it is, there are some really confusing passages in the bible.
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Skinny's Property
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There are promises associated with tithing that God gave us in Malachi 3:10. I don’t think those promises died with the law.
The law was there as the way that Jews could be Holy and Righteous before God. Obviously no one can keep the law, so the law pointed the Jews to Christ, as it was intended to do. So tithing will not make you holy in the eyes of God. But his promises associated with this command are still in affect. Christ coming and redeeming us did not abolish the promises of the Old Testament. That is my belief and understanding of it. No different than “Honor your father and mother” in the Old Testament. There are promises associated with that one too. Ok. I will bite ( dang you Pwyse 😁). The Old Testament was not written for Christians. Christianity didn’t exist back then. The Old Testament was written too and only too the Jewish people. Therefore the Gentiles( all non Jews, including present day Christians) were not then and definitely not , at this present time, bound to any of the Laws written to the Jewish people in the Old Testament. How can you be bound to laws that weren’t written to you? I will definitely give you this- many of the many commandments and laws given in the Old Testament are moral and wise and a person doing their best to live them would probably have good odds for a happy, successful life. But thats not the point of them. The point of them is one thing. To show that no man, short of God could ever follow them all perfectly. They were given to point out man’s sinful imperfection not as something for modern day Christians to live by.
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So if the Old Testament was written to the Jewish people and Christianity was thousands of years from existence, how could those promises be to Christians? I do believe God will fulfill every promise he made to the Jewish people in the Old Testament but I don’t believe Christians are included in those promises. As a Christian, I believe the promises Jesus made are much better than the ones the Jews got in the Old Testament.
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Glad He Doesn’t Have One
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Also worship is just not restricted to the church building on Sunday. Our lives are our worship.
I’m not in the crowd believing everything we do in life is worship. I do believe we can worship outside of a church building and on days other than Sunday, but all of life isn’t worship. If it is, there are some really confusing passages in the bible. Can you share these passages?
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Glad He Doesn’t Have One
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There are promises associated with tithing that God gave us in Malachi 3:10. I don’t think those promises died with the law.
The law was there as the way that Jews could be Holy and Righteous before God. Obviously no one can keep the law, so the law pointed the Jews to Christ, as it was intended to do. So tithing will not make you holy in the eyes of God. But his promises associated with this command are still in affect. Christ coming and redeeming us did not abolish the promises of the Old Testament. That is my belief and understanding of it. No different than “Honor your father and mother” in the Old Testament. There are promises associated with that one too. Ok. I will bite ( dang you Pwyse 😁). The Old Testament was not written for Christians. Christianity didn’t exist back then. The Old Testament was written too and only too the Jewish people. Therefore the Gentiles( all non Jews, including present day Christians) were not then and definitely not , at this present time, bound to any of the Laws written to the Jewish people in the Old Testament. How can you be bound to laws that weren’t written to you? I will definitely give you this- many of the many commandments and laws given in the Old Testament are moral and wise and a person doing their best to live them would probably have good odds for a happy, successful life. But thats not the point of them. The point of them is one thing. To show that no man, short of God could ever follow them all perfectly. They were given to point out man’s sinful imperfection not as something for modern day Christians to live by. Well you are correct that the Old Testament was written for God’s people. And you are correct the New Testament was written for God’s people. God’s intentions were for those people to be the same people, which were all of His creation. People in early Old Testament honored and loved God before the law was given to the Jews. Those people were still good in the eyes of the Lord. God chose the Jews to share the Gospel of Jesus to the rest of the world. Most Christians in the New Testament didn’t know they were Christians. They were just Jews that believed Jesus was the messiah. Now of course, God knew that just a small portion of Jews would accept Christ as the messiah. So the Old Testament wasn’t written to only the Jews, it was written to God’s people. And don’t forget what “bound to the law” means. It doesn’t mean that we have to follow it. It means they had to follow it to be holy. We do in fact follow some of the law today. But it doesn’t make us holy. So it looks like by your definition of bound you just mean follow. But we do follow some of them. They are even our laws in government. The 10 commandments are part of the law. And we usually keep those today.
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