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#4288110 02/18/25 12:12 PM
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Are they doing any research on job positions being eliminated or just cutting jobs to show money saved? I ask because I know tenured USNF jobs were eliminated and many were what most in fire country would call critical more than those calling them a wasted position.

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They offered Federal workers option to retire/quit with bonus and pay through Oct 1.

New Gov workers still in Probationary phase were released.

I know of some Federal employees who wanted to take the early out but they were told they were considered necessary and denied the early out option...these are VA workers.

Not sure they have outright cut other jobs except those that worked at USAID or had DEI contracts that were canceled.


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Andalusia #4288129 02/18/25 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Andalusia
They offered Federal workers option to retire/quit with bonus and pay through Oct 1.

New Gov workers still in Probationary phase were released.

I know of some Federal employees who wanted to take the early out but they were told they were considered necessary and denied the early out option...these are VA workers.

Not sure they have outright cut other jobs except those that worked at USAID or had DEI contracts that were canceled.


Specifically talking about the USFS/National Park workers outside the probationary period and not retirement eligible. Those workers are supposedly received a letter mentioning poor performance when they have had good employees reviews. They reportedly fired nuclear weapons programs workers that the Trump administration halted due to the needs for those em[ployees, some of which need Top Secret Clearances lol. It seems from reports that Musk isn't a "part" of Doge yet is making decisions and that DOGE fails to understand what specific entities do and yet they release employess. Hopefully common sense is being used to delete jobs and not just a numbers (money) game to look good.

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DOGE is not firing anyone, the department heads are

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Originally Posted by hallb
DOGE is not firing anyone, the department heads are


Is DOGE ordering the cuts as reported? If so, it's DOGE
If not, post a link please


"WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration has halted the firings of hundreds of federal employees who were tasked with working on the nation’s nuclear weapons programs, in an about-face that has left workers confused and experts cautioning that DOGE’s blind cost cutting will put communities at risk." one reported example. Th USFS isn't gonna cut it's workforce in the PNW without "guidance" to do so.

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DOGE only reviews and provides reports to Trump and Cabinet level folks. Then they decide what to do. Elon hasn't fired a single person or done anything except report what he finds.


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Originally Posted by kodiak06
Originally Posted by hallb
DOGE is not firing anyone, the department heads are


Is DOGE ordering the cuts as reported? If so, it's DOGE
If not, post a link please


"WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration has halted the firings of hundreds of federal employees who were tasked with working on the nation’s nuclear weapons programs, in an about-face that has left workers confused and experts cautioning that DOGE’s blind cost cutting will put communities at risk." one reported example. Th USFS isn't gonna cut it's workforce in the PNW without "guidance" to do so.


Yeah, the AP, there's a valuable source. They all just want you to hate and blame DOGE. The firings are done by the department heads, it's pretty simple. Do you think someone in the Dept of Education can fire someone in the IRS?

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Originally Posted by kodiak06
Originally Posted by Andalusia
They offered Federal workers option to retire/quit with bonus and pay through Oct 1.

New Gov workers still in Probationary phase were released.

I know of some Federal employees who wanted to take the early out but they were told they were considered necessary and denied the early out option...these are VA workers.

Not sure they have outright cut other jobs except those that worked at USAID or had DEI contracts that were canceled.


Specifically talking about the USFS/National Park workers outside the probationary period and not retirement eligible. Those workers are supposedly received a letter mentioning poor performance when they have had good employees reviews. They reportedly fired nuclear weapons programs workers that the Trump administration halted due to the needs for those em[ployees, some of which need Top Secret Clearances lol. It seems from reports that Musk isn't a "part" of Doge yet is making decisions and that DOGE fails to understand what specific entities do and yet they release employess. Hopefully common sense is being used to delete jobs and not just a numbers (money) game to look good.

It would be good to see a copy of the letter they received so we know exactly what it said.


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Originally Posted by Andalusia
DOGE only reviews and provides reports to Trump and Cabinet level folks. Then they decide what to do. Elon hasn't fired a single person or done anything except report what he finds.


So why are all of the reports including the nuclear programs workers firings stating they are being being terminated by DOGE? If it's not DOGE, why is it reported that the Trump Administration halted the DOGE nuclear programs firings?
Give me something other than opinion...

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Originally Posted by hallb
Originally Posted by kodiak06
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DOGE is not firing anyone, the department heads are


Is DOGE ordering the cuts as reported? If so, it's DOGE
If not, post a link please


"WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration has halted the firings of hundreds of federal employees who were tasked with working on the nation’s nuclear weapons programs, in an about-face that has left workers confused and experts cautioning that DOGE’s blind cost cutting will put communities at risk." one reported example. Th USFS isn't gonna cut it's workforce in the PNW without "guidance" to do so.


Yeah, the AP, there's a valuable source. They all just want you to hate and blame DOGE. The firings are done by the department heads, it's pretty simple. Do you think someone in the Dept of Education can fire someone in the IRS?


It's multiple sources not just the AP and specific entity websites. Like I said give me something other than "opinion"

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All the news stories I see are like: CBS, AP, MSNBC etc...they all say DOGE is doing this but the Trump admin says they were laying off Dept of Energy workers that worked on Green Energy programs and apparently some nuclear waste employees were sent notices by mistake. None were from DOGE. Notices were sent by Dept of Energy.

"While some of the Energy Department employees who were fired dealt with energy efficiency and the effects of climate change, issues not seen as priorities by the Trump administration, many others dealt with nuclear issues, even if they didn’t directly work on weapons programs. This included managing massive radioactive waste sites and ensuring the material there doesn’t further contaminate nearby communities."

As my mother used to say: " Don't believe anything you read and only half of what you see!!"


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That's why I wanted to see more. It would be cool if it were a transparent department and holding some live press conferences.
The comments that musk isn't a DOGE employee if true means he shouldn't be involved unless he's been hired as an outside contractor and given a security clearance.
I know the forest service workers that are seasonal have team leads and they literally pick up millions of limbs/sticks, create small slash piles and burn them in their forest management programs.
If they are gone fire season will be a bitch in a year or two.

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Here's the fires during the fall/winter burns, sucks when you're hunting anywhere downwind within several miles
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He is a member of DOGE, appointed by Trump, although he is not being paid anything. He is volunteering his time and effort at the expense of his multiple businesses to root out fraud, waste and abuse. He has many of his employees volunteering to help out and he is paying them their normal salaries and not charging the government anything.

He is giving up his time and treasure on behalf of the American citizens and helping to identify all the waste that goes to Dems and Repub pet projects and they are freaking out!!


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Originally Posted by kodiak06
That's why I wanted to see more. It would be cool if it were a transparent department and holding some live press conferences.
The comments that musk isn't a DOGE employee if true means he shouldn't be involved unless he's been hired as an outside contractor and given a security clearance.
I know the forest service workers that are seasonal have team leads and they literally pick up millions of limbs/sticks, create small slash piles and burn them in their forest management programs.
If they are gone fire season will be a bitch in a year or two.


Musk is a Special Government Employee and Advisor to Trump, surely you have googled that since you are so concerned??

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I wouldnt believe anything that the AP puts in print right now. AP, as well as most of the MSM media outlets are full of libtards and owned and run exclusively by libtards and all have an axe to grind against Trump and hate him. They all will intentionally gaslight the American public in an effort to undermine him and his efforts in any way they can. Most especially the AP. Trump revoked their Whitehouse Press passes the other day and they are super pissed about it right now.

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Originally Posted by hallb
Originally Posted by kodiak06
That's why I wanted to see more. It would be cool if it were a transparent department and holding some live press conferences.
The comments that musk isn't a DOGE employee if true means he shouldn't be involved unless he's been hired as an outside contractor and given a security clearance.
I know the forest service workers that are seasonal have team leads and they literally pick up millions of limbs/sticks, create small slash piles and burn them in their forest management programs.
If they are gone fire season will be a bitch in a year or two.


Musk is a Special Government Employee and Advisor to Trump, surely you have googled that since you are so concerned??


First it's don't believe everything ya read and then googles mentioned... lol. My comment and your comment are both answers if ya use google.
I'm not that "concerned", I just want everything to be legit the next 4yrs so democrats don't get any ammo for next election.

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Originally Posted by abolt300
I wouldnt believe anything that the AP puts in print right now. AP, as well as most of the media outlets have an axe to grind against Trump and hate him. They all will intentionally gaslight the American public in an effort to undermine him and his efforts in any way. Most especially the AP. Trump revoked their Whitehouse Press passes the other day and they are pissed about it right now.

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Originally Posted by kodiak06
Originally Posted by Andalusia
DOGE only reviews and provides reports to Trump and Cabinet level folks. Then they decide what to do. Elon hasn't fired a single person or done anything except report what he finds.


So why are all of the reports including the nuclear programs workers firings stating they are being being terminated by DOGE? If it's not DOGE, why is it reported that the Trump Administration halted the DOGE nuclear programs firings?
Give me something other than opinion...

You can listen to the words come out of Trumps mouth. Its not opinion.

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Originally Posted by kodiak06
That's why I wanted to see more. It would be cool if it were a transparent department and holding some live press conferences.
The comments that musk isn't a DOGE employee if true means he shouldn't be involved unless he's been hired as an outside contractor and given a security clearance.
I know the forest service workers that are seasonal have team leads and they literally pick up millions of limbs/sticks, create small slash piles and burn them in their forest management programs.
If they are gone fire season will be a bitch in a year or two.


Musk has security clearance

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