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Originally Posted by crocker
You can’t run them all off at once unless you want the economy to collapse and I think trump is smart enough to know that. I work with a girl whose friend is a legal Mexican that runs a big business. He and his 4 kids are legal but his wife is not. When they contacted attorney about her getting legal she was told to plan on $17k and 7-8 years. I’m all for fixing the problem but it ain’t gonna be easy. We have allowed it for way too long.



Seeing these amounts makes me wonder why the difference. The gal I know that became an American citizen. 3K and 3 or 4 years. She was here on a work visa at the time so is that the difference?
That was 12 years ago when she became a citizen and kinda wouldn’t think it would be that big a difference in the years timeframe

Or is that adding the lawyer in the mix?


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this may not be a popular comment but, i`m glad i finished my house a few months ago. construction prices bout to sky rocket for a little while

Yep. There is a flip side to getting them out of here. They’re doing a lot of hard skilled work that contractors won’t be able to find. I’m not supporting illegal workers, but this will cause some stuff to go up in costs. Probably delay some construction type work too.


I dare say that general contractors have been charging the “non immigrant” pricing on the work and profiting the difference.

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Can’t we just keep the good messicans and ship all of the US welfare riding trash to Mexico instead?

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Once owners start going to jail for hiring illegals then you won’t need ice anymore.

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Originally Posted by CCC
Can’t we just keep the good messicans and ship all of the US welfare riding trash to Mexico instead?


I'd rather. Hell, I'd do a 2 to 1 trade.


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When you brake the law, it says everything about your integrity. I don’t give a damn about how hard of a worker you are.


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Originally Posted by leroycnbucks
When you brake the law, it says everything about your integrity. I don’t give a damn about how hard of a worker you are.



You ever drive above the posted speed limit? If so, you broke the law and have no integrity whatsoever. Case closed.

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Dang, the number of folks on here trying to justify illegal immigration for their own self serving interests, is astounding.

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When you brake the law, it says everything about your integrity. I don’t give a damn about how hard of a worker you are.



You ever drive above the posted speed limit? If so, you broke the law and have no integrity whatsoever. Case closed.


Well said.

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Dang, the number of folks on here trying to justify illegal immigration for their own self serving interests, is astounding.


Im not trying to justify anything. The truth is that illegal immigrants perform jobs that most sorry ass Americans dont want to do because our government has made it possible for them to not work at all and actually live a decent lifestyle. I believe if they are already here and have no violent criminal history then we should make the legalization process somewhat easier. That way they can continue to provide the need for workers in the types of businesses they have come to dominate simply because they will show up and do a better job than “legal” sorry ass Americans. Believe me, Im all for them paying income taxes and Social Security and having drivers licenses and insurance just like Im required to do. There are too many here and they are too involved in the economy just to round them up and ship them all back. Doing that with the current mindset of the average American laborer would create major problems with our economy.

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Originally Posted by Geeb
Dang, the number of folks on here trying to justify illegal immigration for their own self serving interests, is astounding.


So you would rather pay higher prices on gas, groceries, guns, corn, and EVERYTHING ELSE YOU BUY… just to ship people out of the country that are doing jobs that Americans WILL NOT DO?

That’s insane. It’s not a “self serving interest”. It’s in the best interest of every American to not interrupt the American economy. How do you people not understand this??

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Originally Posted by Geeb
Dang, the number of folks on here trying to justify illegal immigration for their own self serving interests, is astounding.


Im not trying to justify anything. The truth is that illegal immigrants perform jobs that most sorry ass Americans dont want to do because our government has made it possible for them to not work at all and actually live a decent lifestyle. I believe if they are already here and have no violent criminal history then we should make the legalization process somewhat easier. That way they can continue to provide the need for workers in the types of businesses they have come to dominate simply because they will show up and do a better job than “legal” sorry ass Americans. Believe me, Im all for them paying income taxes and Social Security and having drivers licenses and insurance just like Im required to do. There are too many here and they are too involved in the economy just to round them up and ship them all back. Doing that with the current mindset of the average American laborer would create major problems with our economy.



Well said again.

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Originally Posted by Geeb
Dang, the number of folks on here trying to justify illegal immigration for their own self serving interests, is astounding.


So you would rather pay higher prices on gas, groceries, guns, corn, and EVERYTHING ELSE YOU BUY… just to ship people out of the country that are doing jobs that Americans WILL NOT DO?

That’s insane. It’s not a “self serving interest”. It’s in the best interest of every American to not interrupt the American economy. How do you people not understand this??


Do you help the good, hardworking , border crossers get green cards and enter the county legally ?



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Dang, the number of folks on here trying to justify illegal immigration for their own self serving interests, is astounding.


So you would rather pay higher prices on gas, groceries, guns, corn, and EVERYTHING ELSE YOU BUY… just to ship people out of the country that are doing jobs that Americans WILL NOT DO?

That’s insane. It’s not a “self serving interest”. It’s in the best interest of every American to not interrupt the American economy. How do you people not understand this??


Do you help the good, hardworking , border crossers get green cards and enter the county legally ?



No I do not. Why would I or how would I?

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Originally Posted by Geeb
Dang, the number of folks on here trying to justify illegal immigration for their own self serving interests, is astounding.


So you would rather pay higher prices on gas, groceries, guns, corn, and EVERYTHING ELSE YOU BUY… just to ship people out of the country that are doing jobs that Americans WILL NOT DO?

That’s insane. It’s not a “self serving interest”. It’s in the best interest of every American to not interrupt the American economy. How do you people not understand this??


Do you help the good, hardworking , border crossers get green cards and enter the county legally ?



No I do not. Why would I or how would I?



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Originally Posted by Bulls eye
Originally Posted by Geeb
Dang, the number of folks on here trying to justify illegal immigration for their own self serving interests, is astounding.


Im not trying to justify anything. The truth is that illegal immigrants perform jobs that most sorry ass Americans dont want to do because our government has made it possible for them to not work at all and actually live a decent lifestyle. I believe if they are already here and have no violent criminal history then we should make the legalization process somewhat easier. That way they can continue to provide the need for workers in the types of businesses they have come to dominate simply because they will show up and do a better job than “legal” sorry ass Americans. Believe me, Im all for them paying income taxes and Social Security and having drivers licenses and insurance just like Im required to do. There are too many here and they are too involved in the economy just to round them up and ship them all back. Doing that with the current mindset of the average American laborer would create major problems with our economy.


I agree it’ll be a major issue in the coming months. Like in 08 and a few years later many self deported due to no work during that time.

I’m hoping those that were released and given court dates will follow thru with those court dates. Apply for their green cards, work visas etc……
I think there is a path forward but it’ll be a rough one.

The powers that be created this problem but we the people were too busy tending to our own affairs instead doing what was right. Now we’re gonna be forced to deal with it.


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Originally Posted by Bulls eye
Originally Posted by Geeb
Dang, the number of folks on here trying to justify illegal immigration for their own self serving interests, is astounding.


Im not trying to justify anything. The truth is that illegal immigrants perform jobs that most sorry ass Americans dont want to do because our government has made it possible for them to not work at all and actually live a decent lifestyle. I believe if they are already here and have no violent criminal history then we should make the legalization process somewhat easier. That way they can continue to provide the need for workers in the types of businesses they have come to dominate simply because they will show up and do a better job than “legal” sorry ass Americans. Believe me, Im all for them paying income taxes and Social Security and having drivers licenses and insurance just like Im required to do. There are too many here and they are too involved in the economy just to round them up and ship them all back. Doing that with the current mindset of the average American laborer would create major problems with our economy.

Your whole statement is justifying illegals remaining in the country. For you to have a stance so firm on keeping ILLEGALS, i would bet (rather you'd admit to it or not) you see it as a benefit to yourself to have them here.
If we truly need people to work, that is EXACTLY what work visas are for. There is a right way and a wrong way...ILLEGAL is the wrong way.
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Originally Posted by Geeb
Dang, the number of folks on here trying to justify illegal immigration for their own self serving interests, is astounding.


So you would rather pay higher prices on gas, groceries, guns, corn, and EVERYTHING ELSE YOU BUY… just to ship people out of the country that are doing jobs that Americans WILL NOT DO?

That’s insane. It’s not a “self serving interest”. It’s in the best interest of every American to not interrupt the American economy. How do you people not understand this??

That has to be one of the most dense statements to justify illegal immigrants that one could make. How did our economy survive before the illegals came? When did my gas, groceries, guns, corn, and EVERYTHING ELSE go down in price due to all the illegals?

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Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Hiring them for chump change ain’t keeping housing cost down nor are savings being passed on to the consumer. Its more money in the pockets of the ones contracting the job.



This is 100% true. Then you have to consider the economic impact on our country. They don't pay taxes. They have children in schools that don't speak english, diverting education $ away from our children to pay for spanish speaking teachers and staff. They get on government assistance, which is our tax dollars going to pay for them that is diverted away from vets, and citizens. They clog up ER's, because they can't be turned away. They have accidents, with no insurance. There are people who are leasing/renting them housing that are charging the government more than the prevailing market rate for housing, our tax dollars are paying for. These NGO's, many of which are church charities of churches people here attend, are soaking up our tax dollars, paying themselves nice salaries, to resettle them.

This is a giant ponzy scheme to redistribute tax $ away from citizens, to illegals, and the corruption and pay for play it breeds is why our country is 36 Trillion $ in debt.

I think you can make a case the housing shortage is partly due to all the illegals in the country. We keep seeing things like our birth rates are declining, ok, then why do we have a housing shortage? Something doesn't add up.

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The nation is and was founded on being a nation of laws. We saw what ignoring the law and having two sets of laws will do with the Biden admin. If those folks want to follow the laws, get green cards, work visas and perhaps become legal citizens , great. It took years to get here, it's not gonna be easy to clean up. Giving someone a pass on illegal activity because we want cheap labor is wrong. There's a process and legal way , let's use it. I can't believe this is even debatable .



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Geeb, the housing/construction market has one of the biggest influences on inflation.

When that market is good, the economy is moving and inflation falls. When that market is bad the economy slows or recedes and inflation goes up. If the flow of construction is interrupted and the housing/construction market falls, prices on everything go up because the value of the dollar goes down. That’s a 40k view of it.

It has nothing to do with who interrupts the flow, only that the flow is interrupted.

Imagine if 50% of the labor force in America went on strike…

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