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Joined: Dec 2009
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I have my standards. I can't control my neighbors standards nor do I want to. I definitely don't need government to tell him how big or old a deer needs to be before he can kill him. I know my neighbors have killed deer I've passed on. It's a waste of my time to worry about it so I just keep hunting and waiting on the kind of deer that makes me happy. It's not my place to tell my neighbors what should make them happy.  
Romans 8:1-2
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If everyone in Alabama was on board with managing for big mature whitetail, we would probably be shocked at what we started killing in a few years! I think states like Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Kansas, Texas are more inclined to do this. I would certainly be on board!
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Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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If everyone in Alabama was on board with managing for big mature whitetail, we would probably be shocked at what we started killing in a few years! I think states like Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Kansas, Texas are more inclined to do this. I would certainly be on board! Just move to one of those states and be happy instead of trying to force rules on 1000 and 1000 of other hunters
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It is very possible to have more than 1 mature buck per 1,000 acres, that is if mature means 4yo and older. The other parts of the above MSU study come as no surprise. They're all individuals. I got pictures to back that I've posted them here before
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I'm on same basic plan as my adjacent club, so we have 2k acres.
I let deer go other people kill. It's frustrating when they are young bucks that have potential. I got one running around on my lease, assuming he hasn't gotten off the property and shot, that was nice last year, and a stud this year. Big 10pt.
All I can do is make sure a have some good food.
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Thing about deer food if you just using during season its only drawing deer to you . Some body thats feeds year round is out to hold the deer closer.
Same with other animal with a steady food source.
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So should I just quit hunting or shoot everything I see because nothing matters?
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So should I just quit hunting or shoot everything I see because nothing matters? Pretty much if you have neighbors doing the same.
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So should I just quit hunting or shoot everything I see because nothing matters? No , I didn't. I knew that if I did kill a young one for a fact it wasn't getting older . I saw a good many I let go get killed but I saw a few that made it for years . Had i been in right spot at the right time id got them .
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If everyone in Alabama was on board with managing for big mature whitetail, we would probably be shocked at what we started killing in a few years! I think states like Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Kansas, Texas are more inclined to do this. I would certainly be on board! You might think that by but you'd be wrong. The reason the Midwest has bigger deer is agriculture and very limited gun seasons. Lots of Alabama hunters think if they could just get government to stop their neighbors from killing young bucks they'd have big bucks running everywhere. The truth is most of those same folks complaining aren't willing to give up their 3 month gun season in exchange for more mature bucks. There is a misconception that Midwest folks have more restraint but I have read numerous studies that indicate the average buck killed in Illinois is a 2 year old 100" deer. Human nature doesn't change by geography. They slaughter the young ones too but they have a shorter window to do it with a gun. If you wanna see more big deer lobby for a 1 or 2 week gun season that falls outside the rut. I bet that dog won't hunt with most of the whiners and complainers.
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If everyone in Alabama was on board with managing for big mature whitetail, we would probably be shocked at what we started killing in a few years! I think states like Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Kansas, Texas are more inclined to do this. I would certainly be on board! You might think that by but you'd be wrong. The reason the Midwest has bigger deer is agriculture and very limited gun seasons. Lots of Alabama hunters think if they could just get government to stop their neighbors from killing young bucks they'd have big bucks running everywhere. The truth is most of those same folks complaining aren't willing to give up their 3 month gun season in exchange for more mature bucks. There is a misconception that Midwest folks have more restraint but I have read numerous studies that indicate the average buck killed in Illinois is a 2 year old 100" deer. Human nature doesn't change by geography. They slaughter the young ones too but they have a shorter window to do it with a gun. If you wanna see more big deer lobby for a 1 or 2 week gun season that falls outside the rut. I bet that dog won't hunt with most of the whiners and complainers. Getting rid of the dang crossbows is the key. 1 week gun, 1 week muzzleloader, and only trad archery equipment (except for disability) and lots of bucks survive. Worked for decades until they wanted to increase harvest. Every kid, grandmother, and non-practicing adult has a crossbow now. Lots of increased pressure and many more non-recovered deer.
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The last two deer I've tracked today the hunters said was the first time they ever saw them.....no pics......They wandering for sure
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It's the states deer.....They can manage then how they want.....It isn't up to every individual to decide how many is ok for you to shoot ....That's what the DCNR is for......Many folks don't know enough or have enough self restraint to make sound decisions...Blows my mind how folks think that buying a hunting license buys you the right to shoot however many you want
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I have no delusions on how big a deers home range is. It’s sad that you can go from having deer of these calibers to not being able to keep and dang 2yr old alive anymore. These were joint efforts to grow these deer with the neighbors I had to deal with at the time. //postimg.cc/D8knW1MP] ![[Linked Image]](https://i.postimg.cc/kXD4pcNz/IMG-3960.png) [/url] postimages.org/] ![[Linked Image]](https://i.postimg.cc/zGgfJGck/IMG-2418.jpg) [/url] /postimg.cc/06QsgnzP] ![[Linked Image]](https://i.postimg.cc/jj6d7kKw/77-E796-B4-DF3-D-497-F-BF06-3-BDF5-A4-C4-FFD-L0-001.jpg) [/url]
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If everyone in Alabama was on board with managing for big mature whitetail, we would probably be shocked at what we started killing in a few years! I think states like Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Kansas, Texas are more inclined to do this. I would certainly be on board! You might think that by but you'd be wrong. The reason the Midwest has bigger deer is agriculture and very limited gun seasons. Lots of Alabama hunters think if they could just get government to stop their neighbors from killing young bucks they'd have big bucks running everywhere. The truth is most of those same folks complaining aren't willing to give up their 3 month gun season in exchange for more mature bucks. There is a misconception that Midwest folks have more restraint but I have read numerous studies that indicate the average buck killed in Illinois is a 2 year old 100" deer. Human nature doesn't change by geography. They slaughter the young ones too but they have a shorter window to do it with a gun. If you wanna see more big deer lobby for a 1 or 2 week gun season that falls outside the rut. I bet that dog won't hunt with most of the whiners and complainers. Pin Bill’s comment for every time this discussion comes up. The secret sauce is very simply a shortened overall season, a 9 to 14 day firearms split outside of peak rut, and a two buck per license limit (one for gun, one for other). Alabama would see an improved age structure and many more mega bucks taken over the shorter season versus the longer one.
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And for the record, I support my neighbor’s right to shoot all the deer I pass. In fact, I helped him drag one out yesterday. It does however, decrease my incentive to invest heavily in the resource.
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how do we lobby to get the gun season shortened? I agree with bill. it is too long no reason to blast with a rifle for 3 straight months especially now that hunting is so popular and everyone and they grandmother is doing it now. Just like Colorado has had to go to draw only. too many hunters not enough resources.
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Freak of Nature
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If everyone in Alabama was on board with managing for big mature whitetail, we would probably be shocked at what we started killing in a few years! I think states like Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Kansas, Texas are more inclined to do this. I would certainly be on board! You might think that by but you'd be wrong. The reason the Midwest has bigger deer is agriculture and very limited gun seasons. Lots of Alabama hunters think if they could just get government to stop their neighbors from killing young bucks they'd have big bucks running everywhere. The truth is most of those same folks complaining aren't willing to give up their 3 month gun season in exchange for more mature bucks. There is a misconception that Midwest folks have more restraint but I have read numerous studies that indicate the average buck killed in Illinois is a 2 year old 100" deer. Human nature doesn't change by geography. They slaughter the young ones too but they have a shorter window to do it with a gun. If you wanna see more big deer lobby for a 1 or 2 week gun season that falls outside the rut. I bet that dog won't hunt with most of the whiners and complainers. Same thing was happening in Wisconsin when I was hunting up there. 9 day gun season and the guys I knew said Saturday morning antlers Saturday afternoon whatever they see. It was about killing their deer for the year for the freezer. After seeing the quality of their deer versus the hardiness seeing here. I kinda lost my zest. Not saying Alabama doesn’t have potential especially in certain areas. But the average whatever buck there was what we call good ones and shooters here. It was rare to see a 1.5 yr old less than an 8 from what I saw.
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I don’t get the idea that folks throw out when they say “I don’t need the state telling me how many deer to shoot!!”…..
Yes you do……That is the very reason we have a DCNR that sets season dates and bag limits……because the public needs someone to set those limits for them……If you think you have the right to decide how many deer you should be able to shoot then why don’t you have the same right to deer hunt any month of the year you choose as well?.....
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