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Max Point Blank Range shooting 160 grain bullets would be just over 300 yards. A 140 is maybe 330 yards. Because it loses velocity and energy faster.
I don't know why anyone would shoot 140 grain bullets. Out past 300 yards I'd want a heavier bullet.... Why would you not want a heavier bullet? Anyone who answers otherwise is FOS.
Between 0-330 yards what did you accomplish? Nothing. That's the answer.
All you did was open up the realm of uncertainty that keeps you going back to the Island of Misfit Magic Bullets searching for the Holy Grail of dumbassery.
You'll figure it out at some point.
It’s not about how far, it’s about bullet construction, and what shoots well out of the rifle. For deer 160 is overkill but if you like it and it shoots good use it.
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Max Point Blank Range shooting 160 grain bullets would be just over 300 yards. A 140 is maybe 330 yards. Because it loses velocity and energy faster.
I don't know why anyone would shoot 140 grain bullets. Out past 300 yards I'd want a heavier bullet.... Why would you not want a heavier bullet? Anyone who answers otherwise is FOS.
Between 0-330 yards what did you accomplish? Nothing. That's the answer.
All you did was open up the realm of uncertainty that keeps you going back to the Island of Misfit Magic Bullets searching for the Holy Grail of dumbassery.
You'll figure it out at some point.
By your thinking , any caliber with a bullet weighing 140 gr or less and traveling 3,000 + at the muzzle is useless on Whitetails past 300 yards . Okey Dokey.
"Why do you ask"?
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Yea... y'all don't get it.
When you have time to read something I'd suggest a book on rifle ballistics. If none of that means anything to you... then carry on.
Maybe you can find a 130 grain magic bullet and shoot it even faster between 0-300 yards and let us know it will shoot through a deer.
If you shoot a 160 grain cup and core bullet it will kill a whitetail Every. Single. Time. And then you don't have to worry about your bullet working and have superior ballistics. To each their own but if you want a single opinion on this you ain't getting it from me.
If I owned a 7mm Weatherby or Mag which would only shoot 140's accurately.... I'd sell that POS to someone who wanted to shoot and worry with bullet performance. Most of the Weatherby rifles have a 10 twist which if reason for the factory bullet offerings. It's not ideal as it came out in the 1940's and Roy Weatherby's carrot was achieving hydrostatic shock however inconsistent that ultimately is.
If you can't handle the recoil get a .243
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Shot a 270 STW for years never had a deer make it out of sight it burned up in the house fire but I got a .270 blank ordered I haven't decided if I'm going back with a STW or something different maybe a 270/300prc or 270/6.5 PRCW. It will be pushing 130-150gr bullets as fast as I can get them the 270stw was pushing a 130 TTSX 3600fps. I'm currently pushing a 138gr hammer HHT 3450 out of my 300 but I'm not happy with the accuracy but that's mostly from the rifle not the load.
Keep your booger hooker off the bang switch.
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I’ve had better exits/ blood trails with the solid bullets in the lighter weight class per caliber. Shot placement is most important obviously, but bullet weigh and construction are close behind. I shot a 11pt a few weeks ago with a 280, higher weight bullet for that caliber and with a bullet most people would swear by. Perfect shot. Deer died, but virtually no blood trail and a pencil exit wound. He ran 75 yards, I was expecting to see a bad hit when I walked up on him due to no blood and the distance traveled. Couldn’t have hit a better spot if I was standing next to him.
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I’ve had better exits/ blood trails with the solid bullets in the lighter weight class per caliber. Shot placement is most important obviously, but bullet weigh and construction are close behind. I shot a 11pt a few weeks ago with a 280, higher weight bullet for that caliber and with a bullet most people would swear by. Perfect shot. Deer died, but virtually no blood trail and a pencil exit wound. He ran 75 yards, I was expecting to see a bad hit when I walked up on him due to no blood and the distance traveled. Couldn’t have hit a better spot if I was standing next to him. It happens regardless of bullet sometimes. My cousin shoots a 30-06 pushing 180gr soft point around 3000fps. I know of two deer he’s shot within 200yds that ran off with almost no blood trail after hitting them in the boiler room. Neither was even a particularly big deer. I think it just happens sometimes.
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I’ve had better exits/ blood trails with the solid bullets in the lighter weight class per caliber. Shot placement is most important obviously, but bullet weigh and construction are close behind. I shot a 11pt a few weeks ago with a 280, higher weight bullet for that caliber and with a bullet most people would swear by. Perfect shot. Deer died, but virtually no blood trail and a pencil exit wound. He ran 75 yards, I was expecting to see a bad hit when I walked up on him due to no blood and the distance traveled. Couldn’t have hit a better spot if I was standing next to him. It happens regardless of bullet sometimes. My cousin shoots a 30-06 pushing 180gr soft point around 3000fps. I know of two deer he’s shot within 200yds that ran off with almost no blood trail after hitting them in the boiler room. Neither was even a particularly big deer. I think it just happens sometimes. 3000 fps with 180 gr bullets from an aught six is VERY hot!! All the load data tops out around 2800 fps.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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I’ve had better exits/ blood trails with the solid bullets in the lighter weight class per caliber. Shot placement is most important obviously, but bullet weigh and construction are close behind. I shot a 11pt a few weeks ago with a 280, higher weight bullet for that caliber and with a bullet most people would swear by. Perfect shot. Deer died, but virtually no blood trail and a pencil exit wound. He ran 75 yards, I was expecting to see a bad hit when I walked up on him due to no blood and the distance traveled. Couldn’t have hit a better spot if I was standing next to him. It happens regardless of bullet sometimes. My cousin shoots a 30-06 pushing 180gr soft point around 3000fps. I know of two deer he’s shot within 200yds that ran off with almost no blood trail after hitting them in the boiler room. Neither was even a particularly big deer. I think it just happens sometimes. 3000 fps with 180 gr bullets from an aught six is VERY hot!! All the load data tops out around 2800 fps. Yeah, it’s stupid but he’s been reloading nearly 20 years and hasn’t blown his gun up (yet)
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I’ve had better exits/ blood trails with the solid bullets in the lighter weight class per caliber. Shot placement is most important obviously, but bullet weigh and construction are close behind. I shot a 11pt a few weeks ago with a 280, higher weight bullet for that caliber and with a bullet most people would swear by. Perfect shot. Deer died, but virtually no blood trail and a pencil exit wound. He ran 75 yards, I was expecting to see a bad hit when I walked up on him due to no blood and the distance traveled. Couldn’t have hit a better spot if I was standing next to him. It happens regardless of bullet sometimes. My cousin shoots a 30-06 pushing 180gr soft point around 3000fps. I know of two deer he’s shot within 200yds that ran off with almost no blood trail after hitting them in the boiler room. Neither was even a particularly big deer. I think it just happens sometimes. 3000 fps with 180 gr bullets from an aught six is VERY hot!! All the load data tops out around 2800 fps. Bet he goes through some brass...
Keep your booger hooker off the bang switch.
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Use to shoot Winchester 140 gr Silver tips . They were awesome on the deer.Only remember one that got over 50 yds and that was on me hitting him a little to far back . They don’t make them anymore. Wish I had a case of them put back. Now shooting 150 gr polymer points Winchester and they do the job well to.
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i shot those old silver tips in 30-30 , 270 , 30-06 and i liked them . i tried then new ones in a 7mag with the black coating and they wouldn't group on a 12"x12" target at a 100 . the gun was shooting less than 1/2" groups .
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I’ve had better exits/ blood trails with the solid bullets in the lighter weight class per caliber. Shot placement is most important obviously, but bullet weigh and construction are close behind. I shot a 11pt a few weeks ago with a 280, higher weight bullet for that caliber and with a bullet most people would swear by. Perfect shot. Deer died, but virtually no blood trail and a pencil exit wound. He ran 75 yards, I was expecting to see a bad hit when I walked up on him due to no blood and the distance traveled. Couldn’t have hit a better spot if I was standing next to him. It happens regardless of bullet sometimes. My cousin shoots a 30-06 pushing 180gr soft point around 3000fps. I know of two deer he’s shot within 200yds that ran off with almost no blood trail after hitting them in the boiler room. Neither was even a particularly big deer. I think it just happens sometimes. 3000 fps with 180 gr bullets from an aught six is VERY hot!! All the load data tops out around 2800 fps. Bet he goes through some brass... Running a gun that hot will eventually get a bolt embedded in your cheekbone.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
Molon Labe
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Without a doubt it will. Wonder if he carries a rubber mallet to open his bolt or just kicks it open? 
Keep your booger hooker off the bang switch.
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I can't imagine wanting to carry a caliber like that to shoot Alabama whitetails
We will burn that bridge when we get there
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I heard here on Aldeer that if you've got a .243..... You can just take the cartridge out of the rifle and just throw it at the deer you'll get a complete pass through as long as it has a 42 grain Barnes stuck in the end of it.
I'm skeptical. I think I'd be more comfortable throwing something with a smaller bullet since I threw out my right shoulder drinking and might need to use a slingshot to get the velocity up.
Thoughts?
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I heard here on Aldeer that if you've got a .243..... You can just take the cartridge out of the rifle and just throw it at the deer you'll get a complete pass through as long as it has a 42 grain Barnes stuck in the end of it.
I'm skeptical. I think I'd be more comfortable throwing something with a smaller bullet since I threw out my right shoulder drinking and might need to use a slingshot to get the velocity up.
Thoughts?
Why go through all the effort of throwing the cartridge when all you have to do is just show a 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge to the deer and they just fall over dead.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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I heard here on Aldeer that if you've got a .243..... You can just take the cartridge out of the rifle and just throw it at the deer you'll get a complete pass through as long as it has a 42 grain Barnes stuck in the end of it.
I'm skeptical. I think I'd be more comfortable throwing something with a smaller bullet since I threw out my right shoulder drinking and might need to use a slingshot to get the velocity up.
Thoughts?
Why go through all the effort of throwing the cartridge when all you have to do is just show a 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge to the deer and they just fall over dead. you apparently have ever seen a sling shot in .243 with a Bump Stock.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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Booner
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I heard here on Aldeer that if you've got a .243..... You can just take the cartridge out of the rifle and just throw it at the deer you'll get a complete pass through as long as it has a 42 grain Barnes stuck in the end of it.
I'm skeptical. I think I'd be more comfortable throwing something with a smaller bullet since I threw out my right shoulder drinking and might need to use a slingshot to get the velocity up.
Thoughts?
Why go through all the effort of throwing the cartridge when all you have to do is just show a 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge to the deer and they just fall over dead. you apparently have ever seen a sling shot in .243 with a Bump Stock. That would be a correct statement. I tend to stay away from such lethal weapons.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Pope of Aldeer and Expert
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Hunted with a fellow used 235 Speers in his 375 h&h @2700 fps. Worked just fine.
Skinny is my EX.Alcohol was involved.
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Hunted with a fellow used 235 Speers in his 375 h&h @2700 fps. Worked just fine. The 375 H&H is a fine deer killer.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
Molon Labe
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