No butcher shop buddy of mine I guide for raises some Tourine African breed of steers and if I’m getting a good steak I’m going to see mister Booger he has what he call a Alabama Waygoo system he does on them and it’s the best I ever had when I was there picking up my steak he had a group of what I’d call Japanese people he was hosting and they were there to learn his system to take it back to Tokyo I think