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Why would it not been ineligible receiver down field? Five yards and replay the down. With illegal touching its loss of down. Game over.
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Why would it not been ineligible receiver down field? Five yards and replay the down. With illegal touching its loss of down. Game over. Because that’s not how the rule was made lol. If an ineligible receiver touches the ball it breaks the illegal touching rule whether they are down field or behind the LOS. Illegal man downfield only occurs when an ineligible receiver is downfield and the ball is not thrown to him. Soif a QB gets in trouble and can’t find an open receiver, he could just toss it to a lineman and it only cost him 5 yards and he gets another chance at the down. It is illegal touching and loss of down to keep offenses from using illegal man downfield to their advantage.
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Booner
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Bad calll? Yeah.
Did it influence the outcome? Not really
Losing by 14 or 21 against a garbage team like the Sooners is equally embarrassing. I agree but it could have been a momentum switch. It could have sparked a flame and got them back in the game. But probably not. Did yall see why the official made the call? He got it wrong but there is a reason he made the call if I remember right. He said Williams was covered up at the line at the snap( which he was not). When he touches the ball; it is illegal touching. If the balls go's somewhere else or he can't get his hands on it; no call. I think that is correct? Incredible catch; the kid has a gift. Made another crazy catch ; but was out of bounds. Yes that was the call. It was a weird formation. If you look close Williams covered up the TE. Which in this formation he isn’t a TE because Williams is the Split End to the same side. The TE becomes an “extra tackle” when you cover him up like that. It appears that they ran trips to the TE side to get a matchup they wanted or to have the TE on that side for a protection reason. Since Williams covered up the TE the TE isn’t eligible. Which is fine because he stayed in to protect. But the ref saw it was a weird formation, saw that Williams covered up the TE pre snap, but when Williams caught the ball, the ref had it in his mind that Williams was covered up instead of him being the one that covered up the TE. Or that is what it appeared to be going through his head to me. As soon as I saw the extra tackle I thought they were gonna run to that side. Then when they passed, I assumed the TE went down field and was ineligible and that was the call… illegal man downfield. But when they called illegal touching on 2 I was like well he must have run out of bounds and then touched the ball and then caught the pass. After the replay… they blew that one. He got confused royally. But to your response, if he WAS covered up and the ball was passed to someone else… the call would have been illegal man downfield. Found this: Ineligible in college are offensive lineman and people with jersey numbers 50-79, unless reported eligible to the ref. If that is correct; not a penalty and loss of down till he touched the ball. Accounting for the late flag toss. Probably would not have made a difference; but there was 14 minutes left in the game and momentum is a big deal and Milroe feeds off it. Oklahoma did not score any more. We will never know.
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Offensive lineman are any player on the line of scrimmage except the ones on the end. So if they go downfield on a pass and do not touch the ball, the call would be ineligible man down field. If they go down field on a pass and do touch the ball, it is illegal touching. Either way the call was incorrect because Williams was the end man on the LOS. Had the OT opposite of him had an eligible number, he would have been eligible. They basically moved him from the left side of the formation to the right side of the formation but didn’t move the TE over to replace him.
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Offensive lineman are any player on the line of scrimmage except the ones on the end. So if they go downfield on a pass and do not touch the ball, the call would be ineligible man down field. If they go down field on a pass and do touch the ball, it is illegal touching. Either way the call was incorrect because Williams was the end man on the LOS. Had the OT opposite of him had an eligible number, he would have been eligible. They basically moved him from the left side of the formation to the right side of the formation but didn’t move the TE over to replace him. Williams was the outside player on the line. The players on either side were in the backfield; normal "trips" alignment.
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Offensive lineman are any player on the line of scrimmage except the ones on the end. So if they go downfield on a pass and do not touch the ball, the call would be ineligible man down field. If they go down field on a pass and do touch the ball, it is illegal touching. Either way the call was incorrect because Williams was the end man on the LOS. Had the OT opposite of him had an eligible number, he would have been eligible. They basically moved him from the left side of the formation to the right side of the formation but didn’t move the TE over to replace him. Williams was the outside player on the line. The players on either side were in the backfield; normal "trips" alignment. Right, but there was a tight end on the trips side that Williams covered up. That’s NOT normal on any formation. There’s no question he was eligible and it was a bad call. The reason the referee was confused is because Williams covered up the TE. The TE was the player who could not go down field, not Williams.
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Offensive lineman are any player on the line of scrimmage except the ones on the end. So if they go downfield on a pass and do not touch the ball, the call would be ineligible man down field. If they go down field on a pass and do touch the ball, it is illegal touching. Either way the call was incorrect because Williams was the end man on the LOS. Had the OT opposite of him had an eligible number, he would have been eligible. They basically moved him from the left side of the formation to the right side of the formation but didn’t move the TE over to replace him. Williams was the outside player on the line. The players on either side were in the backfield; normal "trips" alignment. Right, but there was a tight end on the trips side that Williams covered up. That’s NOT normal on any formation. There’s no question he was eligible and it was a bad call. The reason the referee was confused is because Williams covered up the TE. The TE was the player who could not go down field, not Williams. Point being; Williams was not available for "ineligible receiver " penalty and there would gave been no penalty had he not touched the ball. How a "competent" ref could make that mistake standing 5 yards from the 3 receivers is hard to understand. There was no player outside Williams on the line right in front of him.
Last edited by wew3006; 11/26/24 10:06 PM.
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Offensive lineman are any player on the line of scrimmage except the ones on the end. So if they go downfield on a pass and do not touch the ball, the call would be ineligible man down field. If they go down field on a pass and do touch the ball, it is illegal touching. Either way the call was incorrect because Williams was the end man on the LOS. Had the OT opposite of him had an eligible number, he would have been eligible. They basically moved him from the left side of the formation to the right side of the formation but didn’t move the TE over to replace him. Williams was the outside player on the line. The players on either side were in the backfield; normal "trips" alignment. Right, but there was a tight end on the trips side that Williams covered up. That’s NOT normal on any formation. There’s no question he was eligible and it was a bad call. The reason the referee was confused is because Williams covered up the TE. The TE was the player who could not go down field, not Williams. Point being; Williams was not available for "ineligible receiver " penalty and there would gave been no penalty had he not touched the ball. How a "competent : ref could make that mistake standing 5 yards from the 3 receivers is hard to understand. There was no player outside Williams on the line right in front of him. Absolutely correct. Neither foul applied to Williams. I think the ref saw the abnormal formation that had the TE covered up. And when the play happened, he had a brain fart and thought Williams was the ineligible player. That’s the only thing I could come up with as far as how he could make such a bad call.
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Y'all hammers still bitching about the officials....
Move on.
It's over.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
Molon Labe
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Y'all hammers still bitching about the officials....
Move on.
It's over. Not bitching about the officials, all we were doing is discussing the call annd why they got it wrong. Officials miss some and make most. Saying it was the wrong call is not “bitching about the officials” I would think. But thanks for calling me and wew3006 “hammers”. I didn’t know you swung that way.
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