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Will this buck qualify for AON's truck buck contest? Or any of the other Big Buck contest throughout the state. If it's killed legally, outside of a high fence, then he would qualify right? This is going to get real interesting when someone kills one of these giants.
What about the Alabama whitetail record books. Is there a way to disqualify these deer if they are harvested. Just a thought. Someone may have brought this up but there are too many pages to go back through and check.
I wouldn't think it would be much of an issue for contests. If they are releasing hundreds of deer how could you ever prove which one was which anyway. I think it would be kind of like the fishing tournaments at Miller's Ferry, there are captive raised bass released into the river as part of of program but they don't test the fish they catch in tournaments to see if they are one of the captive bred ones. Or like the trout they release into the streams in other states, if you catch a state record trout they don't do any dna test or anything to see if it came from the breeding facility.
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So, if someone kills a 170-class whitetail down there in three or four years, the BBP can't trumpet its release program as a success.
Because "how could you ever prove which one was anyway" would negate any kind of "this came from our deer!" claims.
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So, if someone kills a 170-class whitetail down there in three or four years, the BBP can't trumpet its release program as a success.
Because "how could you ever prove which one was anyway" would negate any kind of "this came from our deer!" claims.
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This has got to be some of most stupid chit I've ever heard of. How many cattlemen do you know that would buy one $10,000 bull and put him in a pasture with 2,500 other bulls and 10,000 cows and expect to improve his cow herd. There is NO sound science involved in this and anyone who claims otherwise is a misinformed fool.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Do the frankenbucks released have Northern genes or Tx genes in them?
I'm sure they've got some Northern genes in them, so what is that going to do to their offsprings immunity to EHD that most of our native deer exhibit at least in some amounts? Does anybody think of this crap BEFORE hand? CWD isn't the only disease to worry about.
IDIOTS.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Do the frankenbucks released have Northern genes or Tx genes in them?
Brad, with zingers like "frankenbucks" it seems to me you have a personal issue with deer breeders. Is that the case?
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Will this buck qualify for AON's truck buck contest? Or any of the other Big Buck contest throughout the state. If it's killed legally, outside of a high fence, then he would qualify right? This is going to get real interesting when someone kills one of these giants.
What about the Alabama whitetail record books. Is there a way to disqualify these deer if they are harvested. Just a thought. Someone may have brought this up but there are too many pages to go back through and check.
I wouldn't think it would be much of an issue for contests. If they are releasing hundreds of deer how could you ever prove which one was which anyway. I think it would be kind of like the fishing tournaments at Miller's Ferry, there are captive raised bass released into the river as part of of program but they don't test the fish they catch in tournaments to see if they are one of the captive bred ones. Or like the trout they release into the streams in other states, if you catch a state record trout they don't do any dna test or anything to see if it came from the breeding facility. I am not talking about an offspring of the breeder buck. I am saying if I kill the buck in that picture or one of his 200" buddies that we know for a fact came from a high fence facility. If I enter a 180" deer into a big buck contest and the deers picture is on the BBP website showing it jumping out of a trailer. Seems that it would stir up some trouble.
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Do the frankenbucks released have Northern genes or Tx genes in them?
I'm sure they've got some Northern genes in them, so what is that going to do to their offsprings immunity to EHD that most of our native deer exhibit at least in some amounts? Does anybody think of this crap BEFORE hand? CWD isn't the only disease to worry about.
IDIOTS. Hey Brad er...Fur, this thread needs jacking, question, of that 53% are you a 1% er or a 52% er? I'm a 52 myself, and proud of it. Guess if we were 1% ers we could buy some Frankenbucks. 
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Well now, what do all them fellers with them fancy de-grees know?! Look at comment #5. 
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I'm gonna post on this one time and one time only. This is some of the DUMBEST chit I've ever seen allowed in wildlife arenas in my entire life! If I lived in Marengo County and were privy to information surrounding the release of these deer, I would hide and gun those pets down when they stepped off the truck. Stupid, shortsighted, ridiculous, greed-driven, unscientific, nonsense!!!!!
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Do the frankenbucks released have Northern genes or Tx genes in them?
Brad, with zingers like "frankenbucks" it seems to me you have a personal issue with deer breeders. Is that the case? Not as long as they keep them in their pens I don't. I know some deer breeders. Nice guys, normal just like me, but they don't push their schit down other peoples throats either. Now you on the other hand, I'm starting to think we could have problems.....
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Do the frankenbucks released have Northern genes or Tx genes in them?
Brad, with zingers like "frankenbucks" it seems to me you have a personal issue with deer breeders. Is that the case? Since you seem to be representing the deer breeders, do you have problems answering questions and backing it up with science?
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Do the frankenbucks released have Northern genes or Tx genes in them?
I'm sure they've got some Northern genes in them, so what is that going to do to their offsprings immunity to EHD that most of our native deer exhibit at least in some amounts? Does anybody think of this crap BEFORE hand? CWD isn't the only disease to worry about.
IDIOTS. Hey Brad er...Fur, this thread needs jacking, question, of that 53% are you a 1% er or a 52% er? I'm a 52 myself, and proud of it. Guess if we were 1% ers we could buy some Frankenbucks. I'm not too good at math..... LOL
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Brad, with zingers like "frankenbucks" it seems to me you have a personal issue with deer breeders. Is that the case?
It seems to me you have a personal issue with this project. Is that the case? Oh wait, that is a question, which you seem to avoid answering.
Last edited by gobbler; 10/12/12 06:58 PM.
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I'm thinking of getting into breeding genetically superior squirrels. Right now I have a couple of good leads on some breeding stock in Wisconsin and Texas. I just need a deep pocket backer to get the project off the ground. Any takers? 
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This isnt as big of an issue a some of yo are making it! I agree that releasing a few bucks into a herd isnt going to help the marengo county herd the way they hope it will, but these deer are checked by the usda and not only that i would guess that 90% will be dead before the christmas. But i have a bigger issue with 50yr olds tht shoot fawns than i do with guys that try to help a herd even if its foolish. But there seem to be way to many people on here crying about all of this! How many of you are Bilogist or have a degree in wildlife management? I suspect that most of the angry hunters on here dont have a clue. I live in the county next door and my wife actually owns land in several parts of marengo and 99% of the local hunters and land owners over there are supporting this and curious about its reults. So if you live in hours away and dont hunt or own land dowm here then shutup!!!
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Also most of the deer you guys up in north alabama are hunting came from michigan and oh marengo county! So deer have been transplanted in alabama for years. Also if it wasnt for trapping turkeys and moving them most of the counties in north alabama wouldnt have turkeys! Look at quail and ducks, theya released every day in our state. Almost all of our lakes and rivers at some point have had stocking efforts done. This is not that new of an idea and it goes on all the time. These guys just went out and published what they were doing instead of just doing it. I agree this is a waste of money but it aint my money!
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Here! Not in wildlife but I am an animal and avian biologist by degree and training. What are the deer checked for by the governement other than CWD? While you're at it, since you are obviously a biologist and since these things have little effect on anything, what effect did it have on the native cavity nesting birds in the US when some dude in the mid 1800's released a handful of European Starlings and European House Sparrows in Central Park in NY? It was just a few birds. How about Silver Carp? Fire Ants? Kudzu? and 10,000 other examples? Granted these were all non native species, but do any of these deer carry parasites or viruses non native to the AL free range herd?
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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THIS IS OF OUR STATES DNR WEBSITE!
The majority of deer restocked in Alabama were from sources within the state and assumed to have been O. v. virginianus. Deer from several other states, including Arkansas, Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas, and Wisconsin, were used to a much lesser degree in restocking several areas around Alabama. Those restockings included deer from as many as six different subspecies of whitetails, including O. v. borealis, O. v. macrourus, O. v. osceola, O. v. seminolus, O. v. texanus, and O. v. virginianus. Due to the variety of stocking sources, many locations in Alabama may contain deer with a combination of ancestries that cannot be placed in a single subspecies. As a whole, it is assumed the majority of deer in Alabama are of the Virginia subspecies since 56 of the state’s 67 counties were stocked using this subspecies.
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