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THIS IS OF OUR STATES DNR WEBSITE!
The majority of deer restocked in Alabama were from sources within the state and assumed to have been O. v. virginianus. Deer from several other states, including Arkansas, Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas, and Wisconsin, were used to a much lesser degree in restocking several areas around Alabama. Those restockings included deer from as many as six different subspecies of whitetails, including O. v. borealis, O. v. macrourus, O. v. osceola, O. v. seminolus, O. v. texanus, and O. v. virginianus. Due to the variety of stocking sources, many locations in Alabama may contain deer with a combination of ancestries that cannot be placed in a single subspecies. As a whole, it is assumed the majority of deer in Alabama are of the Virginia subspecies since 56 of the state’s 67 counties were stocked using this subspecies. Yes, Mr Biologist?, it was done that way. The deer were also restocked when there were no deer in the areas being stocked. Guess what? If the deer they brought in had diseases and were immune to them, there were no native deer for them to spread the diseases to.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Im not talking about axis deer,elk,rain deer,sheep,ect. What effect would fire ants from georgia have oon our native ants? What about kudzu from mississippi on our native kidzu? Your examples made no sense. They are not transporting a new type of deer here.
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There were deer here! Go look at the last restocking efforts and look at the dates. They were restocking deer here in the late 70's. What about thurkey and all the other wildlife? This is not a new idea!
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This isnt as big of an issue a some of yo are making it! I agree that releasing a few bucks into a herd isnt going to help the marengo county herd the way they hope it will, but these deer are checked by the usda and not only that i would guess that 90% will be dead before the christmas. But i have a bigger issue with 50yr olds tht shoot fawns than i do with guys that try to help a herd even if its foolish. But there seem to be way to many people on here crying about all of this! How many of you are Bilogist or have a degree in wildlife management? I suspect that most of the angry hunters on here dont have a clue. I live in the county next door and my wife actually owns land in several parts of marengo and 99% of the local hunters and land owners over there are supporting this and curious about its reults. So if you live in hours away and dont hunt or own land dowm here then shutup!!! This is about to get good!!! Let me be the first to say that you ain't gonna make many friend by registering here 3 months back and posting such BS. This has the potential of being detrimental to deer statewide if it is allowed to happen. Furthermore the deer stocking you post about happened years ago before there wasn't ANY data on such things. I know in the 30's they stocked deer in Bankhead that were from Michigan. When they stocked them there again a few years ago it was with deer from south Alabama. Furthermore ,I don't care if your wife owns ALL of Marengo county and half the golden gate bridge, the deer there are no more yours(or hers) than they are mine!!! Don't be tellin nobody to shutup!!! You might be taken a little bit serious if you wanna debate the issue,but that's gonna get you nothing but ignored.
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Your examples made no sense. They didn't have unintended effects on the ecosystem?
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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There were deer here! Go look at the last restocking efforts and look at the dates. They were restocking deer here in the late 70's. What about thurkey and all the other wildlife? This is not a new idea!
Come on be honest, are you Joe Biden?
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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So how long do i need to be a member on here before i can be your friend? Thats all i want is to be taken serious and to earn respect from you. I mean i dont want to know you as firefighter Bill i want to one day can you Willy. And Willy ive never said i own any deer or the golden gate bridge, i just simply said that the residents down here seem to invite this idea. And My friend if there was any evidence that said this would hurt the herd i would be against it. And even more if i thought this was going to not let me in the cool forum hunters club i would have never type this! So here it goes i hate this idea, and in fact i agree with you and furflyer now. Ill go as far to say that they should catch all the deer in the Bank Head and send them back downm here. Oh and since we have a bird lover on here lets not stop with the deer, return all the turkeys back down here also! Now since we got that out of the way, lets talk about me becoming a member of the cool forum club. Hey if you let me in ill let you come stay at my camp and go hunting. Just PM me a pdf to fill out please.
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Did the deer Flurflyin have negative effects of the current herd? Hey i was just upset at all the negative post about something thats going to be done on a small scale and i thought that this was getting a little over heated. Listen i hate Chiz and VP Biden and i do believe if your a biologist that you know more than i do. Im just saying people dont get upset when they start taken turkeys and quail and replanting them. And all of the hunters up where you are ought to be glad that this isnt the first time this has happend because if it was you might hafta drive to marengo to hunt!
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But i have a bigger issue with 50yr olds tht shoot fawns than i do with guys that try to help a herd even if its foolish. But there seem to be way to many people on here crying about all of this! How many of you are Bilogist or have a degree in wildlife management? I suspect that most of the angry hunters on here dont have a clue. I live in the county next door and my wife actually owns land in several parts of marengo and 99% of the local hunters and land owners over there are supporting this and curious about its reults. So if you live in hours away and dont hunt or own land dowm here then shutup!!! I'm yer huckleberry!! Since I AM a wildlife Bilogist and have a few degrees in wildlife management, can I speak? I also work regularly in Marengo and surrounding counties. Glad you are here to regulate who can talk or who has to "shut up". So you have a problem with 50 yr olds shooting fawns (which has no real effect on the herd) but are fine with this "project" that had no input from any wildlife biologist (or bilogist) as to it's potential negative effects on our native deer herd? This is NOT the same as trapping wild (WILD) turkeys and moving them around the State in a restocking effort. This is more similar to releasing pen-raised turkeys into an EXISTING wild population... which is ILLEGAL in Alabama, for good reason. Wild turkeys (nor quail or ducks) are "genetically modified" for a particular trait. Im not talking about axis deer,elk,rain deer,sheep,ect. What effect would fire ants from georgia have oon our native ants? What about kudzu from mississippi on our native kidzu? Your examples made no sense. They are not transporting a new type of deer here.
What is a "rain" deer? The fire ants in GA are the same as here and have the same effect on our native ants. We have NO native Kudzu. Talk about not making sense! How about you... are you a Bilogist or have a degree in wildlife management? I suspect that you might not have a clue.
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Im sorry rein deer! Your right Kudzu is a invasive plant. I am not a biologist but i do hunt with the best known one in the state. He told me that most of the deer that are in these pens are healthier and more disease resistant than are native deer. And i may have this wrong but i dont think there has been 1 single captive deer in the state that has tested positive for Blue tongue. That i could be wrong abou,t but i was told that. And yes i have a issue with adults killing fawn and even more a issue with adults killing does with little fawn in bow season. This is not science basd just a ethical issue. But im sure you can tell me why im wrong.
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So how long do i need to be a member on here before i can be your friend? Thats all i want is to be taken serious and to earn respect from you. I mean i dont want to know you as firefighter Bill i want to one day can you Willy. And Willy ive never said i own any deer or the golden gate bridge, i just simply said that the residents down here seem to invite this idea. And My friend if there was any evidence that said this would hurt the herd i would be against it. And even more if i thought this was going to not let me in the cool forum hunters club i would have never type this! So here it goes i hate this idea, and in fact i agree with you and furflyer now. Ill go as far to say that they should catch all the deer in the Bank Head and send them back downm here. Oh and since we have a bird lover on here lets not stop with the deer, return all the turkeys back down here also! Now since we got that out of the way, lets talk about me becoming a member of the cool forum club. Hey if you let me in ill let you come stay at my camp and go hunting. Just PM me a pdf to fill out please. Have you even read this thread? You say "show me proof" and you have at least two biologists who regularly post here who have said it's a very bad idea. IN THIS THREAD there is a link to a very important quote. It read....."“Any time deer are moved across the landscape, risk factors for disease transmission increase,” said Dr. Steve Ditchkoff, Professor of Wildlife Science at Auburn University in Alabama." That alone is good enough for me to be against this issue. Nope don't think I wanna hunt at your camp. I am afraid I wouldn't leave as a friend and most assuredly wouldn't be invited back because if you talked to me in person in that condescending manner it wouldn't end well for one of us.All this talk of staying at your camp and talking about willy for some reason kinda makes me wonder about you anyway. The more you talk the more I think I might need yekrut's stick to keep you off "willy". If it were up to me you would have already been shown the door here.
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THIS IS OF OUR STATES DNR WEBSITE!
The majority of deer restocked in Alabama were from sources within the state and assumed to have been O. v. virginianus. Deer from several other states, including Arkansas, Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas, and Wisconsin, were used to a much lesser degree in restocking several areas around Alabama. Those restockings included deer from as many as six different subspecies of whitetails, including O. v. borealis, O. v. macrourus, O. v. osceola, O. v. seminolus, O. v. texanus, and O. v. virginianus. Due to the variety of stocking sources, many locations in Alabama may contain deer with a combination of ancestries that cannot be placed in a single subspecies. As a whole, it is assumed the majority of deer in Alabama are of the Virginia subspecies since 56 of the state’s 67 counties were stocked using this subspecies. Hmmmm,if some of those deer came from Ohio,Wisconsin and Texas, the "super genes" are already here. Why aren't 180"+ very common like people think they are in the areas they came from. Why release more ? Habitat and age. Those new Frankinbucks and their offspring gonna be eating the same food, out of the same soil as the deer that are already here.  BTW there were no deer in Northeast Bama before restocking, it was a true restocking program on the part of the State, and boy did it work! There's more to this than releasing super bucks and procreating little super bucks from them in the wild.
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I am not a biologist but i do hunt with the best known one in the state. He told me that most of the deer that are in these pens are healthier and more disease resistant than are native deer. Lay it out there!! Who is is. If he is "the best know in the State", I am sure I know him and visa versa! And i may have this wrong but i dont think there has been 1 single captive deer in the state that has tested positive for Blue tongue. That i could be wrong abou,t but i was told that. Yes, you have it wrong, so wrong it is rather pitiful. I know of one high fence that lost 5 deer LAST MONTH from blue tongue. And yes i have a issue with adults killing fawn and even more a issue with adults killing does with little fawn in bow season. This is not science basd just a ethical issue. But im sure you can tell me why im wrong.
Can't tell you wrong or right here, that is an issue each individual has to work out for themselves. The only problem I have with it is you seem to have an issue with OTHERS doing it when it is NO business of yours, perfectly legal and biologically sound.
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....."“Any time deer are moved across the landscape, risk factors for disease transmission increase" my point was this isnt a new idea, that was my point this isnt a new idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you believe man is the cause of globle warming? Lot of scientist have said it, not proved it. My response to you was about you basically saying since i have not been on this forum long i cant disagree with one of the cool kids! I took that as your special becasue you get on a deer hunting forum every day. Oh and i guess if there is a person who disagree's with you then you'd rather have them gone. And as far as condescending goes go read the last 10 pages. The reason i posted on this was all the guys on here trashing a couple of people i know personally. Guys that did consult biologist and vets on this before they conducted there project. Not all biologist work for our State!!
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I do have a ? for the biologist on here. The gnat that causes this disease do we have them in alabama? Can just any gnat transmit this with a bit or just a certain species? Not being a SAss just a question.
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Not all biologist work for our State!! Neither do I. I do have a ? for the biologist on here. The gnat that causes this disease do we have them in alabama? Can just any gnat transmit this with a bit or just a certain species? Not being a SAss just a question. EHD is transmitted by a biting midge, Culicoides spp, not a gnat. If the virus it transmitted in Alabama, we, obviously have the midge.
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I am no biologist but I can tell you that Alabama does have the midges that carry ehd/blue tongue. We have cases in this state I would assume most every year as do many other states. It goes unreported because unless there is a drought or other circumstances to make it worse ,it never get to a critical level. Deer in a fence have no more protection from this disease than free ranging deer so I don't know what you even brought that up.
I didn't say you couldn't disagree but when you tell everyone who disagrees with your argument to shutup you told me all I need to know about you. I guess it really wouldn't have mattered if you had been here for 10 years and had 10,000 posts, it would have still come across as being a smartass.
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Right my ?is do we know if we have the midge or is it a wait and see deal? Just wondering, i just got back from Illinois and between me and my party we found more dead deer in the creeks than has been reported to the state for that county! I wouldnt want it here for sure and im not for anythig=ng that would cause that to happen. Im just know that the the guys everyone on here are bashing have consulted with biologist and vets. Why people take 1 article from our SFW and run with it. As far as i was told by these guys all deer will be testd for disease before they are to be released.
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Right my ?is do we know if we have the midge or is it a wait and see deal? Just wondering, i just got back from Illinois and between me and my party we found more dead deer in the creeks than has been reported to the state for that county! I wouldnt want it here for sure and im not for anythig=ng that would cause that to happen. Im just know that the the guys everyone on here are bashing have consulted with biologist and vets. Why people take 1 article from our SFW and run with it. As far as i was told by these guys all deer will be testd for disease before they are to be released. And they also claimed to begin with that they had the approval of the state. Now we are hearing that that was a lie. I don't see how this deal could have any affect on EHD in this state good or bad. But there are many things it could affect
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Damn, that marengo county bunch has really come out of the woodwork defending this voodoo experiment. I don't think they figured on their propaganda being challenged by several experts that are members here.
What the hell is so important about this project that the marengo county deer mafia is Having to deploy propagandist to every hunting site in the southeast? Are these deer really cocaine mules? Are they actually extra terrestrial aliens , in deer form, trailered in from area 57? I don't get what the need is to try and get everyone in the hunting world to support it. You guys keep saying it's only in marengo county so no one else should be worried about it. So why are you guys working overtime trying to sell it to people that you shouldn't be concerned with? It is obvious which posters have an actual stake in the program. I just don't get what all the hoopla is about. This project has got to mean more to these guys than just releasing some deer and trying to grow bigger antlers in their county. Something smells.
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