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APCO has recommendations. If its 100 outside they recommend 80 inside. I'm certain that is systematically and scientifically derived.
How much you want to bet the person who wrote that is sitting inside at 68 degrees and looking at stupid sh1t on the internet right now?
https://www.wsfa.com/2024/06/25/ala...80-degrees-when-its-100-degrees-outside/


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Na they just laying down the narrative so we aren’t surprised by the 500 dollar power bill we gonna get.

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I think I turned ours down to 70 the other night. It is usually set between 72-74 all year anyway.


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Originally Posted by Skinny
APCO has recommendations. If its 100 outside they recommend 80 inside. I'm certain that is systematically and scientifically derived.
How much you want to bet the person who wrote that is sitting inside at 68 degrees and looking at stupid sh1t on the internet right now?
https://www.wsfa.com/2024/06/25/ala...80-degrees-when-its-100-degrees-outside/


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I keep mine at 80 in the summer…bout a 70 in the winter…never have bills over $190…..it’s usually fat people or folks who work inside that have an issue….yall wouldn’t make it if we went back in time 150 years…blankets an winders…or the miracle of the electric fan. I love the heat…im in it most days…and not twidlin my thumbs niether.


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it's also called the understanding how an AC works recommendation but if you want to give them more money then run that sucker down

https://completeac.com/2018/07/why-your-ac-wont-cool-your-home-more-than-20-degrees/


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I have always heard the A?C can only lower the outside ambient air temp by about 20 degrees, no matter how low the thermostat is...Anyone else heard this?
Point being - if it is 96/ outside with 105 degree heat index it isn't going to be able to cool below 20 degrees from outside temp.....
No expert- not an HVAC guy, just passing along...


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Well I’d recommend to APCO that…

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Originally Posted by Stickers
I have always heard the A?C can only lower the outside ambient air temp by about 20 degrees, no matter how low the thermostat is...Anyone else heard this?
Point being - if it is 96/ outside with 105 degree heat index it isn't going to be able to cool below 20 degrees from outside temp.....
No expert- not an HVAC guy, just passing along...

I've heard that too....in fact the news was pitching that same crap this morning, as part of their story where they were suggesting, on behalf of APCO, that everyone crank their AC up to 78-80.

But weather here says it's 99 and the temp on my truck and MrsGomer's car both said 101 (I know those aren't especially accurate, but it appears they're close in this case), and yet my AC is consistently keeping it 69 in my house. A house which, by the way, gets virtually no shade throughout the day and is all brick.

Take that for what it's worth.


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Originally Posted by GomerPyle
Originally Posted by Stickers
I have always heard the A?C can only lower the outside ambient air temp by about 20 degrees, no matter how low the thermostat is...Anyone else heard this?
Point being - if it is 96/ outside with 105 degree heat index it isn't going to be able to cool below 20 degrees from outside temp.....
No expert- not an HVAC guy, just passing along...

I've heard that too....in fact the news was pitching that same crap this morning, as part of their story where they were suggesting, on behalf of APCO, that everyone crank their AC up to 78-80.

But weather here says it's 99 and the temp on my truck and MrsGomer's car both said 101 (I know those aren't especially accurate, but it appears they're close in this case), and yet my AC is consistently keeping it 69 in my house. A house which, by the way, gets virtually no shade throughout the day and is all brick.

Take that for what it's worth.


Great insulation helps for sure with the temperature inside and what one can maintain.


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I'm no ac man, but it's my understanding it won't cool the air more than 20 degrees, but the return from your house is inside, so it will continue to cool, it just takes awhile the higher the inside temp

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Running 73 when we go to bed and 76 in the day. The bill will still be BIGLY

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Originally Posted by TexasHuntress
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Originally Posted by Stickers
I have always heard the A?C can only lower the outside ambient air temp by about 20 degrees, no matter how low the thermostat is...Anyone else heard this?
Point being - if it is 96/ outside with 105 degree heat index it isn't going to be able to cool below 20 degrees from outside temp.....
No expert- not an HVAC guy, just passing along...

I've heard that too....in fact the news was pitching that same crap this morning, as part of their story where they were suggesting, on behalf of APCO, that everyone crank their AC up to 78-80.

But weather here says it's 99 and the temp on my truck and MrsGomer's car both said 101 (I know those aren't especially accurate, but it appears they're close in this case), and yet my AC is consistently keeping it 69 in my house. A house which, by the way, gets virtually no shade throughout the day and is all brick.

Take that for what it's worth.


Great insulation helps for sure with the temperature inside and what one can maintain.

And that may be what it is in my case....I know the attic is insulated extremely well and I'll assume the exterior walls are as well. My AC unit is like 16yrs old so it's not exactly new by any means. Our last house, though, got direct sunlight all afternoon and even though it was off-white vinyl siding instead of brick, it struggled to keep it at 78-79 during the summer....which jives with the 20* thing...........so yeah, maybe insulation is the difference maker


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Originally Posted by Stickers
I have always heard the A?C can only lower the outside ambient air temp by about 20 degrees, no matter how low the thermostat is...Anyone else heard this?
Point being - if it is 96/ outside with 105 degree heat index it isn't going to be able to cool below 20 degrees from outside temp.....
No expert- not an HVAC guy, just passing along...


Bad info.


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Folks are mixing up the ability of an AC unit to cool the interior return air as it passes over the coils (Delta T) versus the difference between the outside air temp and the inside air temp. A properly-sized AC unit in a decently insulated house can most definitely keep the home more than 20 degrees cooler than the outside air (properly sized for the location).

Edit: For example, my house is currently 72 degrees and it's 92 degrees outside. And it will keep it at 72 degrees later this summer when it's 102 degrees outside.

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Mine is set on 67 and its keeping it 69 right now. I don't care how high the power bill gets, we gonna keep it below 70 if we have to put a commercial unit on the roof and a window unit in every other window.


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Mine is set on 67 and its keeping it 69 right now. I don't care how high the power bill gets, we gonna keep it below 70 if we have to put a commercial unit on the roof and a window unit in every other window.


I'd look at your insulation situation first. That can make a big difference. Even if all you can do is add it to the attic, it will help, perhaps a lot. Also look at your window and door seals.

When we lived in an 1909 house that leaked air like a sieve, we did have some trouble keeping it at the set point on the hottest days. I kept a note by the thermostat that said "Do not touch. A thermostat is an on/off switch controlled by a thermometer. Turning it lower will not make it cool down any faster." Otherwise, sometimes I'd wake up in the morning and the house would be 65 degrees because I hadn't noticed that it had been turned down the afternoon before trying to cool the house down faster.

That's maybe not 100% true for more modern multi-stage systems that control for humidity, etc., but for most systems it is.

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Originally Posted by Wahoo
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Mine is set on 67 and its keeping it 69 right now. I don't care how high the power bill gets, we gonna keep it below 70 if we have to put a commercial unit on the roof and a window unit in every other window.


I'd look at your insulation situation first. That can make a big difference. Even if all you can do is add it to the attic, it will help, perhaps a lot. Also look at your window and door seals.

When we lived in an 1909 house that leaked air like a sieve, we did have some trouble keeping it at the set point on the hottest days. I kept a note by the thermostat that said "Do not touch. A thermostat is an on/off switch controlled by a thermometer. Turning it lower will not make it cool down any faster." Otherwise, sometimes I'd wake up in the morning and the house would be 65 degrees because I hadn't noticed that it had been turned down the afternoon before trying to cool the house down faster.

That's maybe not 100% true for more modern multi-stage systems that control for humidity, etc., but for most systems it is.


If I have had that conversation with my wife once, I've had it a dozen times...........there is something about the lack of a Y chromosome that causes people to not comprehend that turning a home AC lower does not change the temp of the air coming out of the vents. She has asked me before to "turn it down" (cooler) and I've had to explain that "honey, it's already running, turning it down cooler won't do anything."

All I usually get is a *blank stare*

I think in their minds, they think it's like modern car AC's with "climate control"


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Originally Posted by GomerPyle
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Mine is set on 67 and its keeping it 69 right now. I don't care how high the power bill gets, we gonna keep it below 70 if we have to put a commercial unit on the roof and a window unit in every other window.


I'd look at your insulation situation first. That can make a big difference. Even if all you can do is add it to the attic, it will help, perhaps a lot. Also look at your window and door seals.

When we lived in an 1909 house that leaked air like a sieve, we did have some trouble keeping it at the set point on the hottest days. I kept a note by the thermostat that said "Do not touch. A thermostat is an on/off switch controlled by a thermometer. Turning it lower will not make it cool down any faster." Otherwise, sometimes I'd wake up in the morning and the house would be 65 degrees because I hadn't noticed that it had been turned down the afternoon before trying to cool the house down faster.

That's maybe not 100% true for more modern multi-stage systems that control for humidity, etc., but for most systems it is.


If I have had that conversation with my wife once, I've had it a dozen times...........there is something about the lack of a Y chromosome that causes people to not comprehend that turning a home AC lower does not change the temp of the air coming out of the vents. She has asked me before to "turn it down" (cooler) and I've had to explain that "honey, it's already running, turning it down cooler won't do anything."

All I usually get is a *blank stare*

I think in their minds, they think it's like modern car AC's with "climate control"


Yeah, I thought my note by the thermostat was clever and it made me feel better, but the only real solution was to check the thermostat when I got home on real hot days and make sure it hadn't been fiddled with. I remember waking up several times in the middle of summer and I could see my breath the house was so cold. Those were some high electric bills. 5 ton unit for less than 2,000 square feet, in a balloon-framed hundred year old house with 11 foot ceilings. That one did have a hard time keeping it more than 20 degrees colder than outside, but that wasn't an HVAC issue, it was a house issue.

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My Bill on a 1640 sq.ft. Log House is about $200 in the Summer. Temp. during day on 74.....night 68. Winter Bill is about $75.....heat has never been turned on.....heat with th' Biggest Buckstove brand wood heater they make.

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