Originally Posted by SEWoodsWhitetail
Originally Posted by Driveby
Originally Posted by Squadron77
What about Predestination?

Romans 8:28

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.


Predestination is a group thing, not an individual thing. God predestined those who are obedient to him to be saved.(Group) It's up to you whether or not you are part of that group.(Individual)


God predestined (planned), for those who love God (the group), a way of salvation, not unconditional salvation itself arbitrarily to individuals. That's exactly What Romans 8:28-30 explains.

28 The standard, "those who love God", is established

29 The plan is for those who love God to be conformed to the image of Christ (the firstborn from the dead) through unification with Christ in a death like his (Romans 6:1-14, Colossians 2:11-15, 3:1-4).

30 The result is those who love God are given the right to be conformed to the image of Christ to be called out, justified, and glorified.


And Paul,
Galatians 1:15-16a – But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son to me…

"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
-G. K. Chesterton