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Isn't it strange that the folks that need Christianity the most are the ones that refuse to accept it.
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Every human alive, that has ever lived or that will ever live needs Jesus. It’s not a sliding scale or something that can be quantified
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Every human alive, that has ever lived or that will ever live needs Jesus. It’s not a sliding scale or something that can be quantified
This^^^^ Paul was a Son of a Bitch of the highest order, but once he found Jesus, he became an amazing witness for the Christian faith. (I realize that is kind of an understatement.  )
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And some have been turned over to a reprobate mind.
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What about Predestination?
Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
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The way I’ve always understood it is predestination does not mean that it’s already decided that everyone gets to enter the gates of heaven. Everyone is created and “predestined” to be conformed (changed) into the image of God once we accept Jesus as our savior. But we are sinful so we need a savior to get into heaven. There has never been a human created that God did not love. You and I have never met, read about, or seen anyone with whom God did not desire a relationship and want to spend eternity. However, we all have free will to accept Him. We have all crossed paths in one form or another with those who we will never see again after we leave this life. That’s not God’s plan. That’s folks changing God’s plan.
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I had a Baptist preacher of a Church I was visiting while out of town on a fishing trip once told me in so many words ,,, to say you're a Christian is one thing ,,, but living by the word of Christ as a Christian is another,,, many walk around saying their Christian and even say they have faith and believe in Christ and that's good ... but as Christians, all must walk the walk and not just talk the talk .
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What about Predestination?
Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Predestination is a group thing, not an individual thing. God predestined those who are obedient to him to be saved.(Group) It's up to you whether or not you are part of that group.(Individual)
The true mark of a man is not how he conducts himself during times of prosperity, but how he conducts himself during times of adversity.
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Gentlemen, please be cautious arguing exclusively for Calvinist or Armenian viewpoints. Examples to support both can be found in scripture. As Christians, we must have faith in Gods entire word, not just the parts we identify with. That doesn’t mean we can always reconcile what we read, and sometimes we never will this side of heaven. Scholars have debated this subject for centuries without a clear winner, and I don’t believe anyone on Aldeer has it all figured out either. We must have enough humility to realize we can’t comprehend everything about the Lord yet. At least, that’s my opinion 
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Gentlemen, please be cautious arguing exclusively for Calvinist or Armenian viewpoints. Examples to support both can be found in scripture. As Christians, we must have faith in Gods entire word, not just the parts we identify with. That doesn’t mean we can always reconcile what we read, and sometimes we never will this side of heaven. Scholars have debated this subject for centuries without a clear winner, and I don’t believe anyone on Aldeer has it all figured out either. We must have enough humility to realize we can’t comprehend everything about the Lord yet. At least, that’s my opinion Excellent post. Nothing good ever comes from theological debates among mixed company.
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what if your neither calvanist nor Armenian. I'm a Christian I don't base my beliefs on systematic theology named after a man like Calvin or arminious.my sole authority comes from the word of God. there have always been Bible believers who were neither protestant nor catholic. I can trace my heritage thru the anabaptist the waldenses to the paulicians..
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Romans 12. I’ll leave this right here.
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The most difficult thing to understand during conversation is silence. Thoreau
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Isn't it strange that the folks that need Christianity the most are the ones that refuse to accept it. Everyone needs Jesus the same. No one person needs him more than the other. We all are born with God's wrath to be poured out on us. We will all be eternally separated from God in the Lake of Fire. However, God's great mercy and grace has given us a way out by repenting, accepting Jesus as savior and making him lord of our life. Everyone born will stand before judgment. The only difference is will you be standing at the Judgment Seat of Christ or The Great White Throne.
If you claim to be a Christian then why do you act like the devil? You will be known by the fruit you bear!
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What about Predestination?
Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Predestination is a group thing, not an individual thing. God predestined those who are obedient to him to be saved.(Group) It's up to you whether or not you are part of that group.(Individual) God predestined (planned), for those who love God (the group), a way of salvation, not unconditional salvation itself arbitrarily to individuals. That's exactly What Romans 8:28-30 explains. 28 The standard, "those who love God", is established 29 The plan is for those who love God to be conformed to the image of Christ (the firstborn from the dead) through unification with Christ in a death like his (Romans 6:1-14, Colossians 2:11-15, 3:1-4). 30 The result is those who love God are given the right to be conformed to the image of Christ to be called out, justified, and glorified.
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What about Predestination?
Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Predestination is a group thing, not an individual thing. God predestined those who are obedient to him to be saved.(Group) It's up to you whether or not you are part of that group.(Individual) God predestined (planned), for those who love God (the group), a way of salvation, not unconditional salvation itself arbitrarily to individuals. That's exactly What Romans 8:28-30 explains. 28 The standard, "those who love God", is established 29 The plan is for those who love God to be conformed to the image of Christ (the firstborn from the dead) through unification with Christ in a death like his (Romans 6:1-14, Colossians 2:11-15, 3:1-4). 30 The result is those who love God are given the right to be conformed to the image of Christ to be called out, justified, and glorified. And Paul, Galatians 1:15-16a – But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son to me…
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What about Predestination?
Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Every human being was predestined to go to heaven. Jesus died for every one of us. If any human goes to hell, it will be their own choice and they will go as an intruder. Hell was created for satan and his angels. Every time any human has to go there because they reject Gods plan, hell has to get bigger just to make enough room for them.
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