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If you look at the original picture of the deer, maybe factor in the deer ran/ walked around 1000 yards. The angle of the arrow isn’t necessarily the same angle the it entered the deer. I would think after traveling that far that arrow shaft had hit quite a few trees & bushes along the way. If the Rage was stopped & lodged in the ribs, on the opposite side then I can understand why the Rage, and the insert might have parted from the shaft.
After being slammed against everything that deer passed in 1000 yards and bedding a time or two, it’s a miracle that shaft wasn’t push flat alongside it’s right hindquarters. And MAYBE the shot wasn’t that hard of a quartering away angle.
I’m not a Rage fan, though I have shot them, when they first came out. I just don’t like a broadhead that extends 3 inches or more past the insert. The older I get the more I like to take all the “what if’s” out of things. My fixed broadheads have their blades ready when I screw them to the inserts.

I understand everyone has their opinion and i dont understand why a man can shoot through a huge Kansas buck and somebody else cant shoot through a doe. I cut up a doe tuesday that looked exactly like that kansas buck in penetration arrowed buried up 6 inches in ground. There is a world of difference in a 2 inch hole and a 1 3/8 hole. But i also know a young boy that shot a doe through the heart with a field point off his back porch. It went about 75 yards and piled up so go figure ?

I broke off a 400 series? PSE arrow in a doe a number of years ago shooting my Switchback XT. It wasn't the best shot, but I hit it in the front shoulder best I can tell. About 6 inches of arrow broke off, along with the broadhead which was a NAP Bloodrunner, which I like. Never found it.

Shot a deer with my crossbow and had the bolt break off right before the fletching. Saw the lighted nock, found some blood, no deer. Found the bolt. That was shooting a Muzzy 125 gr broadhead that has a fixed set and expandable set of blades. Switched to full metal jacket bolts, and shot a spike last year, same broadhead, and it zipped right through it like lightning and deer went maybe 20 yards.

I did kill a deer with my bow and the bloodrunner, it didn't go far either. I like the muzzy I shoot on my crossbow and it flies true. I like the full metal jacket bolts too. I probably dropped some velocity with them, my scope speed ring is showing 330 FPS to make the cross hairs line up and its supposed to be a 370 FPS bow.

I prefer not to have a broadhead that is dependant on an O ring to keep the blades in place. I have some Swackers for my crossbow I may take a shot with them. I switched to Ramcats for my bow. They cut on the back of the blade too.

Another really similar result today with an expandable Rage.......

I shot a 195 lb buck with a rage yesterday, 43 yards, complete quartering away pass through from just in front of his left hip to exiting behind the crease of his front leg.

What do you think caused the one above from passing through??

I think a lot of ppl are using the wrong spine/weight arrow with expandables. Just my thought. I have no idea why penetration and performance varies so much. I’ve never had them underperform. Now, I shoot a lot of different broad heads, both expandable and fixed. Thankfully my bow is tuned to be able to do that. Never had an expandable fault to penetrate like that, and I’ve shot several thick 200+ lb bucks. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I shot one in a similar fashion 3 years ago with a rage. Complete pass through, through what seemed like his entire body. Had enough energy that it stuck pretty freaking far into the ground too.

My only complaint with rages is I always do something dumb and they pop open before I even get in the stand. I switch to fixed this year because I was tired of dealing with it.

Mbrock has a wealth of knowledge and I agree with him. I know everybody has their own preferences and good and bad experiences. But mine is Excalibur recommend a 150 grain head for broadheads with their bolt cutter heads. The light arrow craze and light broadhead craze has its disadvantages. Cnc it would be interesting to know how far the shots were on these deer and how heavy of arrow . I ain’t by know means an expert but back in the late 70’s when we went overdraw light arrow craze for tournaments then tried to hunt with that same setup we lost some deer also it was louder

Every bullet and every broadhead performs. Rarely do they not. What it come down to 99% of the time is shot placement. Most of the bullets that fail or broadheads that fail are actually poor shot placement. I don’t care how good you are and how many deer you’ve killed sometimes the deer is quartering more or less than you think or you are at a steeper angle than you realize. This results in an exit that’s not exactly where you predict. It happens. But when it happens and you don’t find the deer 99% of the time it’s not the projectile. I personally shoot Grimm reapers. Shot rages and they did fine had a friend turn me on to grimm reapers and I have had 0 reason to change. My bow is tuned very well. I personally hate muzzys. I never got a good consistent blood trail and if and when I messed up it became even harder. Once again it was probably poor shot placements on my part but I feel more confident when the Grimm reapers and when I’m confident it makes me a better hunter

That last one was about a 10-15 yard shot

Well that gets to long a shot out of the equation

I went back and looked at picture and dang if I understand that. It don’t even look like there’s anything there to slow that arrow down. I might have the same results tomorrow but in my mind my setup would have buried the arrow 6 inches in the dirt on the other side

I don’t get it either. I’ve killed plenty of deer with broad heads of all types. I’ve shot everything from Thunderheads and muzzies (the standard for decades) to land sharks and slick tricks. All kill deer. On the expandable side, I’ve killed more big bucks with expandables the last few years in rage and Jak-knifes. Never had a failure. My dad has had shallow penetration on the larger expandables because he’s shooting way less poundage than he used to, but even with that he’s punching through the rib cage just fine. 🤷🏼‍♂️

My guess would be under powered bow or improper spine for arrow. A rage broad head will hold up its end of the bargain. There are other factors at play

Found another one today using a Rage expandable shot from 20 yards that only passed halfway through about 8 inches behind the shoulder. I'm guessing its the other parts of the setup. The broadhead seemed to have deployed just fine

BINGO!! I see too many damn people at Wal Mart the night before opening day grabbing what ever arrows and broadheads are left!! It’s these morons that keep the blood trackers in business. Get off your cheap, lazy ass and get your bow set up right.

At that angle, that shot took out mainly liver.

Well I know what happens when I shoot one with my setup. So, again the head ain’t the problem