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How can anyone know that shark population has increased? I call foul on this. Probably more shark attacks due to more population in the water.
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some of those "shark experts" don't show an abundance of common sense.....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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A sand tiger shark, has never in recorded history, killed a person.
If you’re a common sense person, you probably don’t feel you have a home in this world right now. If you’re a Christian, you know you were never meant to.
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I think we just call them sand sharks. They are everywhere at the beach. Some people call them nurse sharks. Very passive sharks
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IMO we have more sharks along the Panhandle because we've changed the game and our fishery is in really good shape right now. I know there are some local issues or complaints but from someone who doesn't actually live along the coast and fish it every day... there is a night and day difference from a few decades ago IMO. There has been a LOT of work put in and it has paid off.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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Gonna have to say youre wrong on that goat. The fishery is in good shape, but the real reason is that we have more sharks now, because a big portion of them are no longer legal to take and there has been a huge push in protecting all sharks. Shark fishing is banned on most of the gulf piers and to be honest, I'm surprised that they havent banned shark fishing from the beach too. There used to be literally hundreds of sharks weighed in each year in the Destin fishing rodeo. Very few now. Back in the day, if you were pulling up a fish and a shark hit it, you simply sent the other half back down, hooked up the shark, fought it to the top and then either gaffed it in the gills or shot it in the head and cut the line, waited about 10 min and went back to catching your target species. Now days, taking care of sharks like that is highly frowned upon. We've got more gamefish for sure, but we've also got 100X more boats in the water and way more sharks and porpoises, and they have learned that boats equal fish being reeled up off the bottom and an easy meal, so the problem is compounded. As someone who has lived on the coast his whole life and spent thousands of hours on the water, in cobia/tuna towers, and on the gulf piers, we've always had plenty of sharks, but there are definitely more now than 30 yrs ago. Sharks have always had plenty to eat in the gulf, so it's not the fishery being in decent shape that is causing the larger shark population and problems. With very few now being harvested or killed regularly, the population expands, even inshore. There were always sharks in Choctawhatchee bay but it is now absolutely slap full of bull sharks and blacktips. Pensacola and Mobile bays are the same way.
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Gonna have to say youre wrong on that goat. The fishery is in good shape, but the real reason is that we have more sharks now, because a big portion of them are no longer legal to take and there has been a huge push in protecting all sharks. Shark fishing is banned on most of the gulf piers and to be honest, I'm surprised that they havent banned shark fishing from the beach too. There used to be literally hundreds of sharks weighed in each year in the Destin fishing rodeo. Very few now. Back in the day, if you were pulling up a fish and a shark hit it, you simply sent the other half back down, hooked up the shark, fought it to the top and then either gaffed it in the gills or shot it in the head and cut the line, waited about 10 min and went back to catching your target species. Now days, taking care of sharks like that is highly frowned upon. We've got more gamefish for sure, but we've also got 100X more boats in the water and way more sharks and porpoises, and they have learned that boats equal fish being reeled up off the bottom and an easy meal, so the problem is compounded. As someone who has lived on the coast his whole life and spent thousands of hours on the water, in cobia/tuna towers, and on the gulf piers, we've always had plenty of sharks, but there are definitely more now than 30 yrs ago. Sharks have always had plenty to eat in the gulf, so it's not the fishery being in decent shape that is causing the larger shark population and problems. With very few now being harvested or killed regularly, the population expands, even inshore. There were always sharks in Choctawhatchee bay but it is now absolutely slap full of bull sharks and blacktips. Pensacola and Mobile bays are the same way.
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I watched someone catch an 11 foot bull shark right in front of the Flora Bama Yacht Club a few weeks ago. Beach was full of swimmers.
I guess they've always been there, but I've never seen one that big near that spot in the 30 years I've been hanging around Old River.
The metric tons of snapper carcasses floating around don't help.
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Gonna have to say youre wrong on that goat. The fishery is in good shape, but the real reason is that we have more sharks now, because a big portion of them are no longer legal to take and there has been a huge push in protecting all sharks. Shark fishing is banned on most of the gulf piers and to be honest, I'm surprised that they havent banned shark fishing from the beach too. There used to be literally hundreds of sharks weighed in each year in the Destin fishing rodeo. Very few now. Back in the day, if you were pulling up a fish and a shark hit it, you simply sent the other half back down, hooked up the shark, fought it to the top and then either gaffed it in the gills or shot it in the head and cut the line, waited about 10 min and went back to catching your target species. Now days, taking care of sharks like that is highly frowned upon. We've got more gamefish for sure, but we've also got 100X more boats in the water and way more sharks and porpoises, and they have learned that boats equal fish being reeled up off the bottom and an easy meal, so the problem is compounded. As someone who has lived on the coast his whole life and spent thousands of hours on the water, in cobia/tuna towers, and on the gulf piers, we've always had plenty of sharks, but there are definitely more now than 30 yrs ago. Sharks have always had plenty to eat in the gulf, so it's not the fishery being in decent shape that is causing the larger shark population and problems. With very few now being harvested or killed regularly, the population expands, even inshore. There were always sharks in Choctawhatchee bay but it is now absolutely slap full of bull sharks and blacktips. Pensacola and Mobile bays are the same way. I do my part and shoot every one that I can. I keep a “shark rig” handy when they start stealing fish. If he’s not dead in 15 minutes, break him off and move.
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Gonna have to say youre wrong on that goat. The fishery is in good shape, but the real reason is that we have more sharks now, because a big portion of them are no longer legal to take and there has been a huge push in protecting all sharks. Shark fishing is banned on most of the gulf piers and to be honest, I'm surprised that they havent banned shark fishing from the beach too. There used to be literally hundreds of sharks weighed in each year in the Destin fishing rodeo. Very few now. Back in the day, if you were pulling up a fish and a shark hit it, you simply sent the other half back down, hooked up the shark, fought it to the top and then either gaffed it in the gills or shot it in the head and cut the line, waited about 10 min and went back to catching your target species. Now days, taking care of sharks like that is highly frowned upon. We've got more gamefish for sure, but we've also got 100X more boats in the water and way more sharks and porpoises, and they have learned that boats equal fish being reeled up off the bottom and an easy meal, so the problem is compounded. As someone who has lived on the coast his whole life and spent thousands of hours on the water, in cobia/tuna towers, and on the gulf piers, we've always had plenty of sharks, but there are definitely more now than 30 yrs ago. Sharks have always had plenty to eat in the gulf, so it's not the fishery being in decent shape that is causing the larger shark population and problems. With very few now being harvested or killed regularly, the population expands, even inshore. There were always sharks in Choctawhatchee bay but it is now absolutely slap full of bull sharks and blacktips. Pensacola and Mobile bays are the same way. I do my part and shoot every one that I can. I keep a “shark rig” handy when they start stealing fish. If he’s not dead in 15 minutes, break him off and move. I agree with CAL
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I watched someone catch an 11 foot bull shark right in front of the Flora Bama Yacht Club a few weeks ago. Beach was full of swimmers.
I guess they've always been there, but I've never seen one that big near that spot in the 30 years I've been hanging around Old River.
The metric tons of snapper carcasses floating around don't help. I’ve never heard of a bull shark being that long. They are short fat sharks. I would have to see a tape on him to believe it. Shark lengths are always exaggerated and usually not on purpose. I have a family member that beach fishes for them for a living. An 8-9’ bull shark is a monster. It was probably a Dusky shark. They are longer and a little slimmer but look a lot like a bull shark. If it was a bull shark it was probably a state record lol. Shark fishing from the beach with swimmers is very frowned upon. Guys usually do it at night when there are no swimmers
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A 9 foot bull shark is about as big as you will see. They will weigh a lot because of girth. Dusky sharks can definitely be much longer. Length can vary depending on whether it is measured to the fork or to the end of the tail. Could have been an 11 foot bull if measured measured with the tail stretched out. If anyone is in the Fort Walton beach area and would like to see a bunch of huge tiger sharks, just come to Okaloosa Island Pier right now. The LYS are dying and the tigers are scooping them up like vacuum cleaners. Tarpon are doing pretty good right now as well.
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A 9 foot bull shark is about as big as you will see. They will weigh a lot because of girth. Dusky sharks can definitely be much longer. Length can vary depending on whether it is measured to the fork or to the end of the tail. Could have been an 11 foot bull if measured measured with the tail stretched out. If anyone is in the Fort Walton beach area and would like to see a bunch of huge tiger sharks, just come to Okaloosa Island Pier right now. The LYS are dying and the tigers are scooping them up like vacuum cleaners. Tarpon are doing pretty good right now as well. That would be cool to come see
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abolt300 Is 100% correct.
Here on the east coast of Florida, the sharks are out of control. You are lucky to catch a few fish before they show up and you have to leave. Most of them are sandbar sharks. And big ones.
I’ve fished out of Canaveral for over 30 years and there’s never been this type of shark problems.
It’s only been since they stopped the finning that their numbers have increased drastically.
We also have an issue with the jewfish/Goliath grouper. If you’re fishing a wreck it’s only a matter of time before you get “jewed” as it’s called here. I know experienced divers that have seen as many as 20 of them, some up to 700-800 lbs on a single wreck.
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Flo-da issues 200 Goliath "Tags" per year. There's a slot though, with no wreck monsters to be killed. I would be interested to know the return results on those tags.
Smaller ones have been known to take up residence under deep water docks inshore. I bet that's where the tags get filled.
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Flo-da issues 200 Goliath "Tags" per year. There's a slot though, with no wreck monsters to be killed. I would be interested to know the return results on those tags.
Smaller ones have been known to take up residence under deep water docks inshore. I bet that's where the tags get filled. Yea it’s a joke. 24 to 36” slot limit. Just going to kill a bunch of juvenile ones and not fix the real problem. Typical government BS
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it froze over
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Flo-da issues 200 Goliath "Tags" per year. There's a slot though, with no wreck monsters to be killed. I would be interested to know the return results on those tags.
Smaller ones have been known to take up residence under deep water docks inshore. I bet that's where the tags get filled. Yea it’s a joke. 24 to 36” slot limit. Just going to kill a bunch of juvenile ones and not fix the real problem. Typical government BS Hard to hide them filets of the bigguns I bet. Seen a few in the keys a long time ago while diving there. I didn’t care to get too close. Looked like they could eat me pretty easily. Never hooked one that I know of. I guess they’re a nuisance in S flo. now and the east coast. If “they manage” them like snapper, there will be thousands before u know it.
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John, it’s all the way up the west coast of Florida as well.
Most if not all wrecks over there it’s pretty much a guarantee that you will encounter a Goliath.
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John, it’s all the way up the west coast of Florida as well.
Most if not all wrecks over there it’s pretty much a guarantee that you will encounter a Goliath. Imagine that. Another fish that they’ll protect until it’s a problem for everyone. Then tell you that you can keep a 1/4 of one per day. But only in state waters on Monday Thursday and Sunday if the day is an odd number on the calendar. Oh yeah, “snapper check” that one too. You need to carry a 100 lb weight or a sharpened 2” stainless steel pipe to vent them. Hope your season is successful. Send us your money for your license, the reef thingy… oh would u like to donate?? 🙄🙄
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