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Anti hunter. And a bunch on here. That need to wake up.
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My perception is that baiting during turkey season has increased a lot since the introduction of the bait license. Let’s say that all baiting for turkeys becomes legal. So what? I guess Chuck would stop complaining about it if happening if he made it legal. I don't know that is the goal.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Kinda sad really. We used to be THE respected State regarding turkey populations and turkey management. That was under Charles Kelley and Corky Pugh. Now, just another "in decline" State. Sadly I think Chuck simply doesn't get it. I don't think he is dumb but he doesn't understand research nor the results of the data coming in. And, you are correct, he does not care much for the average hunter and DOES think he is the smartest person in the room. Sadly the combination of 1) you are defiantly NOT the smartest person in the room and 2) thinking you are is a BAD combination. I don't disagree with the general brunt of his premise.... hunters who just want to kill one at all costs to post to social media is a growing problem. He's right. But the increase in baiting is the departments fault, even though they opposed it in public. Ive said it for a long time - we are making it too easy to kill one turkey, killing 5 isn't the problem. The loss of the standardized harvest survey results for trend comparison was all him when they dropped one survey to switch to GC and Duda. The incredibly inept turkey research project they contracted through AU was all him as well. It cost a lot with NO significant results. Yes, baiting for turkeys has increased a LOT since the baiting laws came into effect. I kill them with corn regularly and I dont even bait for deer. Used to never happen.
Talked to someone who attended the southeastern wild turkey working group meeting last week in Oklahome. Anyone who was anyone regarding scientific turkey research and management (at least State and University) was in attendance. There were NO representatives from ADCNR. The ONLY State that had no one in attendance from the DCNR. EVERY State in attendance had some sort of turkey research project that was State sponsored.... except AL. That is pitiful. All of that is really discouraging. It seems there's little hope for things getting better.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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When is one of yall that complains gonna get on the inside and start making changes?
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When is one of yall that complains gonna get on the inside and start making changes? It would take a new governor, one who was really concerned about hunting and wanted to make a difference. Tim James is the only candidate I can ever remember who even mentioned the dcnr in campaigning. I voted for him, but very few others did. I don't know if he would have been a good governor, but he said he would fire Sykes so that got him my vote. There are 2 or 3 members of the CAB who kept Mr. Sykes from getting all the restrictions he wanted. I fear that when their terms are up, they will be replaced by Sykes loyalists who will give him whatever. I suspect that will be a season similar to what MO has - a very late, short season with a 2 bird limit.
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There are 2 or 3 members of the CAB who kept Mr. Sykes from getting all the restrictions he wanted. I fear that when their terms are up, they will be replaced by Sykes loyalists who will give him whatever. I suspect that will be a season similar to what MO has - a very late, short season with a 2 bird limit.
Interesting on the podcast also that there was a MO update. They have had a 2 bird limit (one in the first week) and a season that starts after peak nesting begins. They have the same declines as other southeastern states. Wonder what Chuck and Chamberlain would say about that.
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine
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When is one of yall that complains gonna get on the inside and start making changes? Sykes is just a front man put in place to do the bidding of the money behind the scenes......Until those folks decide to do something different everyone's hands are tied.
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When is one of yall that complains gonna get on the inside and start making changes? Sykes is just a front man put in place to do the bidding of the money behind the scenes......Until those folks decide to do something different everyone's hands are tied. Who are those people?
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I wonder which one it is that cares so much about a bird to be the money man behind the scenes and get Sykes to make such poor decisions.
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I wonder which on it is that cares so much about a bird to be the money man behind the scenes and get Sykes to make such ooor decisions. I'd have to assume that there's a lot more down that rabbit hole than just turkeys
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I wonder if the increase in kill numbers is just due to the increase in hunter numbers? I mean I think we can all agree that there have been more people getting into turkey hunting each year. Combine that with hunters starting to use the GC that didn’t in the past and there ya go.
Also a lot of clubs don’t stop their off season feeding program for deer during turkey season. Even if they aren’t targeting turkeys and the feeders are going of course you are gonna get a baiting ticket. I had a buddy that got a ticket once for baiting turkeys. Game warden found him on a logging road, took him to a food plot down the road, walked to the spinner feeder that had a dead battery, shook the feeder and some residual corn fell out. The grass was grown up around the feeder and it was obvious the feeder hadn’t gone off in months. If a turkey hunter doesn’t go through the trouble of removing every kernel of corn on the property you got grounds for a baiting ticket. Or put duct tape over the funnel. I haven’t run feeders in a year or two but would seal mine off rather than trying to get everything out of them.
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Kinda sad really. We used to be THE respected State regarding turkey populations and turkey management. That was under Charles Kelley and Corky Pugh. Now, just another "in decline" State. Sadly I think Chuck simply doesn't get it. I don't think he is dumb but he doesn't understand research nor the results of the data coming in. And, you are correct, he does not care much for the average hunter and DOES think he is the smartest person in the room. Sadly the combination of 1) you are defiantly NOT the smartest person in the room and 2) thinking you are is a BAD combination. I don't disagree with the general brunt of his premise.... hunters who just want to kill one at all costs to post to social media is a growing problem. He's right. But the increase in baiting is the departments fault, even though they opposed it in public. Ive said it for a long time - we are making it too easy to kill one turkey, killing 5 isn't the problem. The loss of the standardized harvest survey results for trend comparison was all him when they dropped one survey to switch to GC and Duda. The incredibly inept turkey research project they contracted through AU was all him as well. It cost a lot with NO significant results. Yes, baiting for turkeys has increased a LOT since the baiting laws came into effect. I kill them with corn regularly and I dont even bait for deer. Used to never happen.
Talked to someone who attended the southeastern wild turkey working group meeting last week in Oklahome. Anyone who was anyone regarding scientific turkey research and management (at least State and University) was in attendance. There were NO representatives from ADCNR. The ONLY State that had no one in attendance from the DCNR. EVERY State in attendance had some sort of turkey research project that was State sponsored.... except AL. That is pitiful. All of that is really discouraging. It seems there's little hope for things getting better. 👍
"Cull" is just another four letter word...
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Read the article. It sounds like they don't know whether to crap or wind their watch since game check came online. The statements slamming hunters are just stupid. If there is a problem with younger hunters and ethics, why not start an education campaign, maybe add that to the hunter safety program. A guy that used to do a TV show knocking people that post their birds on social media is kinda like the pot calling the kettle black, IMHO. Chuck really needs to take a step back and rethink driving a wedge between the dept and the outdoorsmen of the state. As they noted, following the regs is pretty much up to the individual. If we were all had the same goals (like generations past) conservation would be better. I don't see his statement as furthering that goal. Some actual leadership and outreach would be nice.
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I wonder which on it is that cares so much about a bird to be the money man behind the scenes and get Sykes to make such ooor decisions. I'd have to assume that there's a lot more down that rabbit hole than just turkeys I wonder which on it is that cares so much about a bird to be the money man behind the scenes and get Sykes to make such ooor decisions. I'd have to assume that there's a lot more down that rabbit hole than just turkeys That’s kind of the point I was trying to bring to light. Kay Ivey’s donors don’t give 2 craps about turkeys or turkey hunting. Insurance companies donating to keep a long deer season I can understand the connection, but what donor would be pulling Syke’s strings having to do with turkey hunting? That just don’t make sense to me. Which of those donors do you suspect he is doing their bidding regarding turkeys? And why?
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That’s kind of the point I was trying to bring to light. Kay Ivey’s donors don’t give 2 craps about turkeys or turkey hunting. Insurance companies donating to keep a long deer season I can understand the connection, but what donor would be pulling Syke’s strings having to do with turkey hunting? That just don’t make sense to me.
Which of those donors do you suspect he is doing their bidding regarding turkeys? And why?
It not just about turkeys…..its about monetizing wildlife to the max through every avenue possible even if it’s having a negative impact on the resource. That doesn’t matter because one of the goals is to reduce their numbers down to having the lowest impact possible on these other industries like Ag and Insurance.....making hunting something that’s just for the rich in the long term. If he wasn’t their “do-boy” he would have been replaced a long time ago. He’s doing exactly what he was put there to do though. Why weren’t decoys made illegal instead of moving season dates??
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CNC you are one of a kind that’s for sure! You are way over complicating this. There is no donor deciding turkey regulations. The DCNR is trying to help the turkeys and figure the problem. They are just doing a bad job of it.
They didn’t make decoys illegal because they didn’t think it would help. But I guess you are going to say that they didn’t make decoys illegal because the turkey decoy manufacturers donated money to Ivey and she wouldn’t let him make them illegal? Or is their another conspiracy theory on the deep state turkey regulation controllers?
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CNC you are one of a kind that’s for sure! You are way over complicating this. There is no donor deciding turkey regulations. The DCNR is trying to help the turkeys and figure the problem. They are just doing a bad job of it.
Then why does he continue to be employed??.....Most people who are this bad at their job get replaced.
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Then why does he continue to be employed??.....Most people who are this bad at their job get replaced.
LOL, it's the state govt, man. Mediocre is perfectly acceptable as its better than most of the others that are substandard to the core. Trust me on this.
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I wonder which on it is that cares so much about a bird to be the money man behind the scenes and get Sykes to make such ooor decisions. I'd have to assume that there's a lot more down that rabbit hole than just turkeys Bingo follow the money. Money is always at the root.
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