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I wouldn't pay to hunt a high fence....but if someone else was picking up the bill...I'd go run up his/her tab!!!  I was offered the opportunity to kill up to a 130" for free and if I wanted to "buy up" I could. Anytime you start talking about up to 130 and buying up, I'm out. But that's just me. Needless to say I politely declined the offer and hunted the wild the next morning. I'd killed the first 128" I saw!!
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someone tell me is it the fence giving off some kind of alien signal that makes the deer less wild??????? WTH would the single presence of a fence have to do with deer being less wired??? They can look at a fence and tell if they are inside or outside???
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Dang Troy thats a point I never considered !lol Maybe they should act tame if they even live near a high fence !!!
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I have "hunted" in a high fence 2,600 acre farm and even with that much land - I can assure you it is not hunting. There were three of us in a "condo" shooting house and deer started coming into the field immediately. I finally decided to take a doe with my shotgun. After I shot, we went to go find the deer. However, I must have missed as I was using iron sights on the shotgun. The three of us trampled all over the woods looking for that deer. Finally, we decided we would get back in the shooting house and hunt a little more. Not 10 minutes after getting back into the shooting house, huge bucks started coming back into the field. It was something that would not of happened in "the wild." My buddy finally shot a cull buck and we went out into the field again and dragged that deer up to the shooting house. I might add that he shot twice at that deer. So, with a little daylight left, we got back into the shooting house and deer began to come into the field AGAIN! It was really pretty dumb. Felt like you were in a petting zoo.
I'm not against folks having high fence areas and I don't think it is the government's job to tell you one way or the other but if I ever make it big - I'll put my money towards more land, not high fence. So were you trying to say it was easy? Cause you shot three times and only killed one deer Yeah, I was trying to say it was easy. What part of that do you not understand or find fault? Did you ever bother to think that maybe the reason that the deer acted the way they did was because they were well managed, well fed and not pressured. Pressure is the key. I hunt free range but have assisted with herd managment (doe shooting) in a couple large (1800 and 2800 acre) high fenced properties in central AL. The first couple years after they were fenced, the deer were still pretty hard to kill. Then 5-7 years later, they were much easier to see and shoot. Why, because the guys that owned them kept the pressure way way down. Most deer in AL are hunted everyday from Oct 15 to Jan 31. That's 109 days of being chased. Now, I know for a fact that between the two properties, there may have been 20 days of hunting pressure and then it was only 3 or 4 people (this is why they brought 6-8 of us in every year to kill does by the truckload). Unless they were bottle fed and aclimated to humans, in your situation, it probably wasnt that they had special easy to kill deer. You saw deer acting in an unpressured relaxed setting. Problem is, very few people in AL have ever seen or hunted a well managed unpressured herd. I've also been blessed with the opportunity to have hunted well managed privately owned, low pressure, free range land in AL and the deer were just as easy to kill there as they were in the fence. The ones that have can attest. Heck yeah it's easier to kill them when they arent pressured to death. AL deer are pressured and hunted so much that they are by far harder to kill than just about anywhere else in the US. Not saying your wrong, but not sure that makes total sense. We hunt 1600 acres and it gets hunted around 2 days a week on avg. buy 2-3 different hunters on avg. That is not much pressure at all, but our deer are by no means easy to pattern, see or kill. We have more mature bucks now than 15 years ago, when we leased it to a club, but as for bucks being easier to kill and hunt, I don't think there is any difference even though pressure is about 1/10th of what it used to be. Pressure is definitely key but if you experienced deer being easier to kill after 5-7 years on less than 2000 acres then I would say that if anything, that is more evidence to show that deer in a fence are easier to kill, cause they are in a fence and don't have the free range factors to deal with and learn from. For example we would never shoot a yearling buck on our land but say that yearling that lives 90% of the time on our property decides one day to travel a mile or so to a club where they kill all age class bucks, and let's say a hunter shoots and misses this buck. That buck then comes back on our place with a bad human encounter, become a little more knowledgable and skittish and therefore become nocturnal most of the time at 2 years old and 99% of the time at 3 years old and older. Those kinds of situations could never occur in a fence. I think it makes more difference than people think. IMO
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I wouldn't pay to hunt a high fence....but if someone else was picking up the bill...I'd go run up his/her tab!!! I was offered the opportunity to kill up to a 130" for free and if I wanted to "buy up" I could. Anytime you start talking about up to 130 and buying up, I'm out. But that's just me. Needless to say I politely declined the offer and hunted the wild the next morning. I'd killed the first 128" I saw!! Ha, I probably should have, but then I couldn't spend so much time on here posting about my position on penned hunts.
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someone tell me is it the fence giving off some kind of alien signal that makes the deer less wild??????? WTH would the single presence of a fence have to do with deer being less wired??? They can look at a fence and tell if they are inside or outside??? It's not the fence, it's what DOES NOT happen to or around deer that live in a fence that makes them easier to kill, IMO. To each his own and if your growing native deer inside a fence that's not nearly as controversial, IMO, as hunting tame bucks from some breeder farm. BUT I've hunted native deer in a fence, once, and from what I saw and heard from that place over the course of a season was convincing enough that these deer were not as hard to kill as free range deer. This particular place was in central/ south Al. Just so happens that I've hunted private free range land with in a couple of miles of where the fence is, so apples to apples as far as land, area, pressure, quality of soil, etc., etc. Just my experience though...
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how is getting shot at, but not hit, any different than standing near another buck that gets shot at or even hit????
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Possibly the greatest, most debated topic i have ever posted!  This subject has been debated here before. It will probably come up again. The laws I posted earlier are in place as a result of our elected representative's debates on these issues. Those laws weren't concocted by a little hand-picked group behind closed doors. These issues were debately openly and went thru the legislative process outlined in our state's Constitution and laws. Even the DCNR rule on enclosures had to go thru the AAPA review and public comment process since the subject matter is not excluded. Obviously, members of the "general public" were more accepting of the practice of high fence hunting than some of the more outspoken members on this forum would have us to believe. The laws speak for themselves about how the "general public" sees this. Link: Act of the Legislature of Alabama 2006-109Status history of the bill: SB137 Regular session 2006[Note: when session time-out box appears, just click OK to view the history of the bill] Deer Enclosure Rule public notice Status/history of the rule: Author: M. Barnett Lawley
Statutory Authority: Code of Ala. 1975, ��9-2-7, 9-2-8, 9-2-12.
History: New Rule: Filed September 12, 2007; effective
October 17, 2007.
PENALTY: As provided by law.
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fence won't keep either out... I realize that.........but I can quote you an incident that happened in Hardaway a few years ago, it didn't keep the Wardens out, but it created an early retirement for one. I'm sure you had a few dealings with politics in your years as a GW. It's okay Ned. He wasn't talking about you. You can answer this one.
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I see ya have that mouth in action again......why don't you try answering whatever the question was.....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Ever wonder why the fawns are bottle feed, hell their raised on goats milk. Not even deer milk. These bucks aren't even conceived naturally, they are the product of artifical insemination. They are around human contact from the time they are born until they are placed in shooter pens. The bucks have their horns sawed off yearly inside the breeder pens to prevent fighting injuries. The fence is a small factor in the big picture of this.
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The fence is a small factor in the big picture of this. Wow. Not sure I can go along with that one....
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