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Just curious about everyones opinion is on high fence hunting. I have a very negative outlook on it. Maybe my views are not necassarily that of the high fence itself but the genetic tampering that is out there. I may be invited to go to a lodge that is fenced soon and am probably going to decline the offer because I do not agree with it. I think it is a joke to kill monster deer under these circumstances and call yourself a hunter. What are the pros to it?
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If your decoy doesnt have holes in it, your not letting him get close enough... J.H.
"Life lessons are almost never found where you think they should be, sometimes they're in the middle of a small, muddy creek in the woods with steep banks"... DeadorAlive
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One of my customers has one, abt 400 acres, he uses it as a place to take clients/vendors and most of the costs are tax deductible.....his words not mine, the kill some good ones, great genetics in the area and is very impressive to see what age will do alone. He says he goes more often and sees nothing than see anything
Give me bout 15 more minutes, I was dreamin about beavers..........
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There are many ways to think about it. One way is spending ten times the ammount your neighbor does on planting the biggest and baddest food plots and keeping the deer on your property vs your bordering neighbor or you can just put a fence up.. They deer still have to get up and move around during the day even if they are in a fence. I think if the fenced area is 30 acres and they put one deer in there for a client then it is a turkey shoot, but any large fenced areas are ok to hunt in.. Now keep in mind, that the term "large" is relative.. haha.. Everyone has their own opinions, but I dont think there is anything wrong with it as long as the fenced area is big enough (again, a relative term)
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Just curious about everyones opinion is on high fence hunting. I have a very negative outlook on it. Maybe my views are not necassarily that of the high fence itself but the genetic tampering that is out there. I may be invited to go to go to some soon and am probably going to decline the offer because I do not agree with it. I think it is a joke to kill monster deer under these circumstances and call yourself a hunter. What are the pros to it? I just see it as farming. No one gets upset when a farmer goes out and kills a cow to get a steak, but high fence for deer causes controversy. Just cause they get dressed up in camo like us doesn't mean they're actually hunting.
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I think it's wrong. Game in Alabama is property of the State. When a landowner does something on his property that affects my property, I'm against that. Say you have 100 acres boarded on 3 sides by a big money man with 1000 acres and he fences his property. You now have zero hunting.
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I have no problem with it. If I go buy 500-1000 acres and spend thousands of dollars to do things the way I want (the right way) and have some blow hard who sits on my property line (he has the right to do) and shoots the 2 year old deer I am letting walk, I'm going to be PISSED!!! Insert fence here and that stops and I am no longer wasting my HARD EARNED money. If you want the "states" deer then have the state come in and get them and I'll buy more and breed my own herd...
The problem comes in when people take advantage of folks with money. Sitting on their property lines and killing sub-adult bucks that someone has spent a lot of time and money on growing (again, their right). The fence just controls their finances plain and simple. I would do it too if I could afford it.
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I think it's wrong. Game in Alabama is property of the State. When a landowner does something on his property that affects my property, I'm against that. Say you have 100 acres boarded on 3 sides by a big money man with 1000 acres and he fences his property. You now have zero hunting. It affects your hunting, not your property. 
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Just curious about everyones opinion is on high fence hunting. I have a very negative outlook on it. Maybe my views are not necassarily that of the high fence itself but the genetic tampering that is out there. I may be invited to go to go to some soon and am probably going to decline the offer because I do not agree with it. I think it is a joke to kill monster deer under these circumstances and call yourself a hunter. What are the pros to it? Austin Ainsworth is a member of the Conservation Advisory Board. He might be a good person to talk to about your concerns. Here's a link to some information about him and his hunting outfit to read before you contact him: Dream Ranch in AlabamaThe tornadoes last year took a toll on his property: �We lost a lot of trees�26 percent to be exact,� Austin adds. �We had two miles of fence down that had to be replaced. Trees had to be cleaned up on quail courses and deer food plots.� Let him explain it to you from experience. Most of us on aldeer don't have that kind of experience. I bet he don't mind dog hunters or having what qdm'ers call "brown-it's-down" hunters for neighbors. 
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Some friends of mine hunt in Illinois (fair chase, no fences) on a peice of property owned by a wealthy landowner. One of his side businesses is raising deer. Last year they were up there and looked at some of the bucks he had. 190' three year olds. Genetically tampered of course. He told them the market for buying those deer was bad and that they could buy one for $4000. For $4000 you could buy it, kill it, and come up with a belivable story. Really? The only reason he is even in business is because there are people that buy them. I've also seen pics and read of earth traps entended for luring game into a high fence by placing feeders next to the fence and building a ramp to the top of the fence. Game jump in to get the corn and cannot get back out. I do believe 1000 acres fenced in levels the playing feild as long as ethics are followed.
If your decoy doesnt have holes in it, your not letting him get close enough... J.H.
"Life lessons are almost never found where you think they should be, sometimes they're in the middle of a small, muddy creek in the woods with steep banks"... DeadorAlive
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[quote=NightHunter]I have no problem with it. If I go buy 500-1000 acres and spend thousands of dollars to do things the way I want (the right way) and have some blow hard who sits on my property line (he has the right to do) and shoots the 2 year old deer I am letting walk, I'm going to be PISSED!!! Insert fence here and that stops and I am no longer wasting my HARD EARNED money. If you want the "states" deer then have the state come in and get them and I'll buy more and breed my own herd...
See, you're taking both sides of it. You're acting like they are your deer, and they aren't. The man shooting the 2 year old deer, as long as he's doing it legally, should not be at fault. You're trying to tell him what to do on his property, yet you don't want anyone telling you what not to do with yours....
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Some friends of mine hunt in Illinois (fair chase, no fences) on a peice of property owned by a wealthy landowner. One of his side businesses is raising deer. Last year they were up there and looked at some of the bucks he had. 190' three year olds. Genetically tampered of course. He told them the market for buying those deer was bad and that they could buy one for $4000. For $4000 you could buy it, kill it, and come up with a belivable story. Really? The only reason he is even in business is because there are people that buy them. I've also seen pics and read of earth traps entended for luring game into a high fence by placing feeders next to the fence and building a ramp to the top of the fence. Game jump in to get the corn and cannot get back out. I do believe 1000 acres fenced in levels the playing feild as long as ethics are followed. Mr. Ainsworth will sell you a trophy buck if you can afford one. Here's his rates, and he's right here in Alabama: Dream Ranch Deer Hunting 2012 Dream Hunt I �Shooters Choice
November 16th to November 18th | $15,000.00
The Dream Hunt is the opening weekend of Alabama Rifle Season.
Hunters get to harvest any Dream Buck on the Ranch...no limits!
A limited number of spots are available for this record setting hunt-
2012 Dream Hunt II-Shooters Choice
November 18th to November 21st l $13,000.00
The Dream Hunt has been so popular that we have added
a second hunt this season! Shooter may take any Dream
Buck on the Ranch.
Trophy Hunt�160" and up | 3 Night/ 3 Day Package | $8,500.00
Ranch Hunt�140"-160" | 2 Night/2 Day Package | $5,500.00
Management Hunt�up to 140" | 2 Night/2 Day Package | $3,500.00 link: Deer Hunting - Dream Ranch
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I think it's wrong. Game in Alabama is property of the State. When a landowner does something on his property that affects my property, I'm against that. Say you have 100 acres boarded on 3 sides by a big money man with 1000 acres and he fences his property. You now have zero hunting. Ok. Send me a key to your gate so I can come get my one of my deer..................
"Few things in life are worse than being unarmed or afoot. I have been both."
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Sounds like one of the members whose posts I'm ignoring thinks the state owns the deer again.
Let's look at that screwed up theory by looking at the whole picture:
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Constitution of Alabama 1901
SECTION 1
Equality and rights of men.
That all men are equally free and independent; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
The Holy Bible
Genesis 9
New King James Version (NKJV)
God�s Promise to Noah
1 So God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them: �Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.
2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand.
3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs.
4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.
... 8 Then God spoke to Noah and to his sons with him, saying:
9 �And as for Me, behold, I establish My covenant with you and with your descendants after you,
10 and with every living creature that is with you: the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you, of all that go out of the ark, every beast of the earth.
11 Thus I establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth.�
12 And God said: �This is the sign of the covenant which I make between Me and you, and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
13 I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between Me and the earth.
14 It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud;
15 and I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh.
16 The rainbow shall be in the cloud, and I will look on it to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.�
17 And God said to Noah, �This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is on the earth.�
Code of Alabama 1975
Section 9-11-230
Title to wild birds and animals vested in state.
The title and ownership to all wild birds and wild animals in the State of Alabama or within the territorial jurisdiction of the state are vested in the state for the purpose of regulating the use and disposition of the same in accordance with the laws of the state.
Section 9-2-7
Commissioner of Conservation and Natural Resources - Powers and duties as to game, fish and seafood generally.
(a) The Commissioner of Conservation and Natural Resources may enforce and administer all laws providing for the preservation, protection, propagation, and development of wild birds, wild fur-bearing animals, game fish, saltwater fish, shrimp, oysters and other shellfish, crustaceans and all other species of wildlife within the state or within the territorial jurisdiction of the state which have not been reduced to private ownership, except as otherwise provided.
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Just curious about everyones opinion is on high fence hunting. I have a very negative outlook on it. Maybe my views are not necassarily that of the high fence itself but the genetic tampering that is out there. I may be invited to go to a lodge that is fenced soon and am probably going to decline the offer because I do not agree with it. I think it is a joke to kill monster deer under these circumstances and call yourself a hunter. What are the pros to it? I've been taken to two different places that had a high fence, but I hunted the free range part of their property, by choice. Before you decline the offer make sure there isn't free range hunting available.
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I wouldn't pay to hunt a high fence....but if someone else was picking up the bill...I'd go run up his/her tab!!! 
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I've had the opportunity to hunt a 1200 acre high fence that was privately owned. the deer are just as wild in the fence as they are on the outside. the only difference I see is that you can control the population better and have a stricter harvest plan .
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I wouldnt decline either. Shoot, even if you dont want to shoot one, I think going and watchin would be awesome too.
My Trail Cam history to save you money:
3 DLC Coverts II=After 3 years 2 still work and in the woods.
1 DLC Covert Extreme TL= Great cam.
1 Covert Reveal
2 Bushnell TC=Both repaired, one of them twice. Less than a year old.
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Sounds like one of the members whose posts I'm ignoring thinks the state owns the deer again.
Let's look at that screwed up theory by looking at the whole picture:
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Constitution of Alabama 1901
SECTION 1
Equality and rights of men.
That all men are equally free and independent; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
The Holy Bible
Genesis 9
New King James Version (NKJV)
God�s Promise to Noah
1 So God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them: �Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.
2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand.
3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs.
4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.
... 8 Then God spoke to Noah and to his sons with him, saying:
9 �And as for Me, behold, I establish My covenant with you and with your descendants after you,
10 and with every living creature that is with you: the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you, of all that go out of the ark, every beast of the earth.
11 Thus I establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth.�
12 And God said: �This is the sign of the covenant which I make between Me and you, and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
13 I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between Me and the earth.
14 It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud;
15 and I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh.
16 The rainbow shall be in the cloud, and I will look on it to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.�
17 And God said to Noah, �This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is on the earth.�
Code of Alabama 1975
Section 9-11-230
Title to wild birds and animals vested in state.
The title and ownership to all wild birds and wild animals in the State of Alabama or within the territorial jurisdiction of the state are vested in the state for the purpose of regulating the use and disposition of the same in accordance with the laws of the state.
Section 9-2-7
Commissioner of Conservation and Natural Resources - Powers and duties as to game, fish and seafood generally.
(a) The Commissioner of Conservation and Natural Resources may enforce and administer all laws providing for the preservation, protection, propagation, and development of wild birds, wild fur-bearing animals, game fish, saltwater fish, shrimp, oysters and other shellfish, crustaceans and all other species of wildlife within the state or within the territorial jurisdiction of the state which have not been reduced to private ownership, except as otherwise provided.
No, I'm just ignoring your cut and paste bullh!t.
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I have no problem with it. If I go buy 500-1000 acres and spend thousands of dollars to do things the way I want (the right way) and have some blow hard who sits on my property line (he has the right to do) and shoots the 2 year old deer I am letting walk, I'm going to be PISSED!!! Insert fence here and that stops and I am no longer wasting my HARD EARNED money. If you want the "states" deer then have the state come in and get them and I'll buy more and breed my own herd...
The problem comes in when people take advantage of folks with money. Sitting on their property lines and killing sub-adult bucks that someone has spent a lot of time and money on growing (again, their right). The fence just controls their finances plain and simple. I would do it too if I could afford it. You act like it isn't their right to kill.....as you say "sub-adult bucks. The fence controls their finances?????? I'll have to say you present one of the strangest arguments I've ever seen on this board.
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If you own a larger tract of land and you have the resources to build/maintain the fenced area and take care of the deer I have no problem with it. I do have a problem with do-gooders and government type controls on private property.
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