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Why not broadcast clover into it? Seems like the added nitrogen would benefit it for hay production.
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OK, if you rent it to hay guys , they won't pay what row crop will per acre, they will want to sow something their cows want ( prolly something deer won't eat) , they will want a lease for several years. If you sow it yourself and then try to get a hay guy to cut it , once again , he ain't gonna want "deer hay" . And you don't even want to think about going in the hay biz and buying a cutter , rake and roller.
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Very expensive to grow down here for hay.
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Just out of curiosity.......what is the going rate for leasing pasture land to run cows on?
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Just out of curiosity.......what is the going rate for leasing pasture land to run cows on? I have no clue, but have zero interest in having cattle on this property. I’ll probably just stick the route with row cropping, work a deal to leave some crops standing at harvest and utilize certain large portions of the fields as really well done food plots. One thought I’ve had- Is there anything I could drill after their last spraying and before they drill their corn or beans into the ground that would grow until the corn or beans got tall enough to keep sunlight from it and then rejuvenate once sunlight hit it again after harvest of crops?
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I would vote leave it in row crops and look into funding to plant all/most in cover crops for winter.
Unless, you have a lack of bedding on your piece of property/surrounding property. Are there other crop fields near by that the deer can still feed in? If yes, then I would vote on turning your 100 acres of field into early successional habitat and manage it with fire and discing. If you're the best bedding around you will have piles of deer on your place and still be providing food for them with quality early successional habitat.
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Just out of curiosity.......what is the going rate for leasing pasture land to run cows on? I have no clue, but have zero interest in having cattle on this property. I gotcha………I was just curious if there were folks who leased stuff by the month…….With many of these options you have the task ay some point of having to reset succession whether that means you mow, burn, bale hay, or have some guy pay you to run his cows on it some during the summer to take some stress off of his pastures Carry on...... 
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I would vote leave it in row crops and look into funding to plant all/most in cover crops for winter.
Unless, you have a lack of bedding on your piece of property/surrounding property. Are there other crop fields near by that the deer can still feed in? If yes, then I would vote on turning your 100 acres of field into early successional habitat and manage it with fire and discing. If you're the best bedding around you will have piles of deer on your place and still be providing food for them with quality early successional habitat. Good bedding now in the area and I have 120 acres of thick nasty bedding.Approx 600 acres of timber will be harvested starting sometime in the next few years. At that point the 100 acres of fields will be essentially surrounded by 700 acres of bedding. My ideas of what to do with the fields are somewhat in prep for the surrounding habitat changing and getting drastically better post timber harvest. I guess in my eyes, the fields won’t need to serve as cover, but I would like them to provide as much food as possible year around.
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Just out of curiosity.......what is the going rate for leasing pasture land to run cows on? I have no clue, but have zero interest in having cattle on this property. I gotcha………I was just curious if there were folks who leased stuff by the month…….With many of these options you have the task ay some point of having to reset succession whether that means you mow, burn, bale hay, or have some guy pay you to run his cows on it some during the summer to take some stress off of his pastures Carry on...... Short term or for a singular year every 10 years or however often- I may not be opposed to that. I read it as you meaning to turn it to cattle farm 100 percent in perpetuity lol. All that fresh manure has to be good for the dirt. I’m waiting for the day that my daughter asks why we don’t have horses on our farm like other farms…. Because I’m sure we’ll end up with horses 😂
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Whatever works for you and the guy down the road with cows……You basically want to do graze/rest…..graze/rest cycles………The amount of time for each is something you’ll learn to eyeball based on the rate of stocking…… What you don’t want to do is turn so many loose and leave them in there so long they that they turn it into a worn out pasture. You just want them to keep the vegetation in early successional stages.
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Talked to my FIL who rents a bunch of pasture land in Marshall Co..........Rent goes for $50-$60 an acre for a year long lease.
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I’d keep it in row crops and start cover cropping with wheat. That’s what has been done before on my club, and the deer would pile out into them in the evenings.
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I don't think you just start doing whatever if you have leased it to a farmer to plant. I'm not thinking you are going to start telling the farmer what he should be doing and what he can and can't do. Probably for hay as well.
I am only saying this because I've seen several tracts of land get put in pines recently where they had some type of dispute with a farmer about something pretty minor in my book. Depending on the farmer they aren't necessarily playing around with their livelihoods. For example one farmer got told he couldn't get his crop out when he felt like he needed to get in there and cut it.... He cut it per the landowner's schedule. Then he packed his crap up left and hasn't been back. Really nice fields with historically high yields. You throw the wheat - farmer might throw you a bill for having to spray.
I am not saying that's what this situation is... but be careful in that mentality where you think you are going to do this or that. Everyone better get on same page beforehand.
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I don't think you just start doing whatever if you have leased it to a farmer to plant. I'm not thinking you are going to start telling the farmer what he should be doing and what he can and can't do. Probably for hay as well.
I am only saying this because I've seen several tracts of land get put in pines recently where they had some type of dispute with a farmer about something pretty minor in my book. Depending on the farmer they aren't necessarily playing around with their livelihoods. For example one farmer got told he couldn't get his crop out when he felt like he needed to get in there and cut it.... He cut it per the landowner's schedule. Then he packed his crap up left and hasn't been back. Really nice fields with historically high yields. You throw the wheat - farmer might throw you a bill for having to spray.
I am not saying that's what this situation is... but be careful in that mentality where you think you are going to do this or that. Everyone better get on same page beforehand.
Maybe I missed some posts, or came across with the wrong tone. I’m not looking to strong arm anyone. Me and my farmers have had a great relationship, but I don’t see an issue with asking them about doing a cover crop or finding another outfit that’s views align with the landowner in terms of also wanting the fields to be useable for deer in the winter time. As it is, once they harvest the crop, I come in behind and plant my plots. In the spring they spray them dead. They know I plant plots in my fields and I know they will spray them dead anytime starting about march 1st. It’s a clear understanding with no problem. But as the landowner and also as the farmer, everyone would benefit from having a cover crop wouldn’t they? I don’t know what winter wheat produces in terms of money, but it would produce revenue for a farmer wouldn’t it?
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Wheat would only benefit the farmer if he already had the equipment needed to combine the wheat. Also it comes off later and negates planting in corn. Wheat is usually followed by soybeans. What I would do is take the outer rows against the woods, say 10-12 feet and plant it in clovers, winter wheat or whatever. Usually that is the least fertile land due to trees sucking the nutrients out of the dirt anyway. It's a win win as your crops are out of the way of the farmer and you'll still get an attractant/ food source for animals. And it wouldn't be a big expense for you or the farmer.
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Wheat would only benefit the farmer if he already had the equipment needed to combine the wheat. Also it comes off later and negates planting in corn. Wheat is usually followed by soybeans. What I would do is take the outer rows against the woods, say 10-12 feet and plant it in clovers, winter wheat or whatever. Usually that is the least fertile land due to trees sucking the nutrients out of the dirt anyway. It's a win win as your crops are out of the way of the farmer and you'll still get an attractant/ food source for animals. And it wouldn't be a big expense for you or the farmer. Its pricey, but the only thing I have seen that really excels there is durana clover. That stuff has filled in all the bare sports I struggled to get stuff to grow on.
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I don't think you just start doing whatever if you have leased it to a farmer to plant. I'm not thinking you are going to start telling the farmer what he should be doing and what he can and can't do. Probably for hay as well.
I am only saying this because I've seen several tracts of land get put in pines recently where they had some type of dispute with a farmer about something pretty minor in my book. Depending on the farmer they aren't necessarily playing around with their livelihoods. For example one farmer got told he couldn't get his crop out when he felt like he needed to get in there and cut it.... He cut it per the landowner's schedule. Then he packed his crap up left and hasn't been back. Really nice fields with historically high yields. You throw the wheat - farmer might throw you a bill for having to spray.
I am not saying that's what this situation is... but be careful in that mentality where you think you are going to do this or that. Everyone better get on same page beforehand.
Maybe I missed some posts, or came across with the wrong tone. I’m not looking to strong arm anyone. Me and my farmers have had a great relationship, but I don’t see an issue with asking them about doing a cover crop or finding another outfit that’s views align with the landowner in terms of also wanting the fields to be useable for deer in the winter time. As it is, once they harvest the crop, I come in behind and plant my plots. In the spring they spray them dead. They know I plant plots in my fields and I know they will spray them dead anytime starting about march 1st. It’s a clear understanding with no problem. But as the landowner and also as the farmer, everyone would benefit from having a cover crop wouldn’t they? I don’t know what winter wheat produces in terms of money, but it would produce revenue for a farmer wouldn’t it? The man who leases our open ground plants soybeans in spring and winter wheat in the fall. We have a great relationship with him and that works out great for us. Only problem is when a neighbors cows get out and get in our fields.
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I don't think you just start doing whatever if you have leased it to a farmer to plant. I'm not thinking you are going to start telling the farmer what he should be doing and what he can and can't do. Probably for hay as well.
I am only saying this because I've seen several tracts of land get put in pines recently where they had some type of dispute with a farmer about something pretty minor in my book. Depending on the farmer they aren't necessarily playing around with their livelihoods. For example one farmer got told he couldn't get his crop out when he felt like he needed to get in there and cut it.... He cut it per the landowner's schedule. Then he packed his crap up left and hasn't been back. Really nice fields with historically high yields. You throw the wheat - farmer might throw you a bill for having to spray.
I am not saying that's what this situation is... but be careful in that mentality where you think you are going to do this or that. Everyone better get on same page beforehand.
Maybe I missed some posts, or came across with the wrong tone. I’m not looking to strong arm anyone. Me and my farmers have had a great relationship, but I don’t see an issue with asking them about doing a cover crop or finding another outfit that’s views align with the landowner in terms of also wanting the fields to be useable for deer in the winter time. As it is, once they harvest the crop, I come in behind and plant my plots. In the spring they spray them dead. They know I plant plots in my fields and I know they will spray them dead anytime starting about march 1st. It’s a clear understanding with no problem. But as the landowner and also as the farmer, everyone would benefit from having a cover crop wouldn’t they? I don’t know what winter wheat produces in terms of money, but it would produce revenue for a farmer wouldn’t it? The man who leases our open ground plants soybeans in spring and winter wheat in the fall. We have a great relationship with him and that works out great for us. Only problem is when a neighbors cows get out and get in our fields. I told my neighbor he owes me a case of shotgun shells. He asked me why, I told him bc I been puttin his cows back in the pasture, off of our rye.
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