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So just so I’m clear on what some of y’all are suggesting…….Are y’all saying that you believe legalizing baiting had ZERO impact on our harvest numbers??? Am I understanding that right??? A way to look at that would be to look at WMA harvest numbers before baiting was legal through now. If Baiting is a huge factor, I’m not doubting it is, but the WMA numbers shouldn’t change because baiting is still illegal on WMAS.
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Old Mossy Horns
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Who thinks extending the season into February was a carrot dangled in front of OOS hunters to come in and pay for a 7 day license to hunt in Alabama and not based on any biological or game management data?
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Booner
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Where i am at it needed to b moved - some years it dont kick n till last week january or last 3-4 days
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self
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Dances With Weeds
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Harvest numbers can and do vary due to a multitude of influences stretching beyond a direct population correlation. More hunters equal more game taken, fewer hunters, less taken. Poor weather during the rut, fewer taken. Great weather during the rut, more taken. Hunter burnout…. Tired of dragging deer, cleaning deer, or paying for processing (especially in this economy and current high as heck processing fees). “ Trophy hunting” as opposed to filling the freezer. This list can go on and on but the point is made. What can’t be made is an assumed cause because of a “perceived” pattern. Perceived patterns within a relatively short time span generally lead to incorrect assumptions of cause. Global warming is an example of seeing something that doesn’t exist. Wait long enough and you’ll likely see a cycle. I wonder how we’re ever gonna use this data if you’re not ever gonna be proactive with any decisions……Are we gonna just look back at trend data 10 years from now to see what we “should have done”???
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Freak of Nature
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you have exceeded your limit of stupid posts for the year already. Please stop. He can't.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Freak of Nature
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Just further evidence to add to the list of my disdain and displeasure with the Feb extension in North AL. Never should’ve happened. Easy, greasy... The deer in my area rut this time of year.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Harvest numbers can and do vary due to a multitude of influences stretching beyond a direct population correlation. More hunters equal more game taken, fewer hunters, less taken. Poor weather during the rut, fewer taken. Great weather during the rut, more taken. Hunter burnout…. Tired of dragging deer, cleaning deer, or paying for processing (especially in this economy and current high as heck processing fees). “ Trophy hunting” as opposed to filling the freezer. This list can go on and on but the point is made. What can’t be made is an assumed cause because of a “perceived” pattern. Perceived patterns within a relatively short time span generally lead to incorrect assumptions of cause. Global warming is an example of seeing something that doesn’t exist. Wait long enough and you’ll likely see a cycle. I wonder how we’re ever gonna use this data if you’re not ever gonna be proactive with any decisions……Are we gonna just look back at trend data 10 years from now to see what we “should have done”??? First, you have to have a trend. Acting too soon is as bad as acting too late.
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You have no fracking idea on those numbers, none. I'd guess it has jack shucks to do with corn and more to do with the economy than anything, but you keep entertaining yourself with your graphs and I'd also look at getting on some OCD meds you'd probably be more productive in shat that really matters or just get a government job.
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Keep your booger hooker off the bang switch.
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No, legalizing corn did not have a major impact. It couldn’t because it was already prevalent throughout the entire state. You’re head has been in the sand if you cannot acknowledge that most hunters in AL were already hunting over corn, long long before it became legal. Every convenience store in every small town has had pallets of corn sitting outside from opening day of bow season until the end of gun season for as long as I can remember. You’re saying that the deer just recently decided they like to eat corn now that’s it’s finally legal and it’s only now starting to affect harvest numbers. Lol. Yeah right.
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Dances With Weeds
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No, legalizing corn did not have a major impact. It couldn’t because it was already prevalent throughout the entire state. You’re head has been in the sand if you cannot acknowledge that most hunters in AL were already hunting over corn, long long before it became legal. Every convenience store in every small town has had pallets of corn sitting outside from opening day of bow season until the end of gun season for as long as I can remember. You’re saying that the deer just recently decided they like to eat corn now that’s it’s finally legal and it’s only now starting to affect harvest numbers. Lol. Yeah right. I know I've been going out tracking for the general public for the last nine years and when I first started the only people sitting directly over corn piles were folks from Louisiana.......Bunch of dang outlaws.  Sure there have been folks in the past illegally baiting but now every deer I go out and track is shot over corn with very few exceptions. I've watched the change happen first hand.
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No, legalizing corn did not have a major impact. It couldn’t because it was already prevalent throughout the entire state. You’re head has been in the sand if you cannot acknowledge that most hunters in AL were already hunting over corn, long long before it became legal. Every convenience store in every small town has had pallets of corn sitting outside from opening day of bow season until the end of gun season for as long as I can remember. You’re saying that the deer just recently decided they like to eat corn now that’s it’s finally legal and it’s only now starting to affect harvest numbers. Lol. Yeah right. I know I've been going out tracking for the general public for the last nine years and when I first started the only people sitting directly over corn piles were folks from Louisiana.......Bunch of dang outlaws. I promise they were not. Lol. I can assume by the properties I visited annually that corn was already being used and hunted over on about 80-90% of the places I went. I personally don’t think corn has contributed much to harvest. I do, however, fully believe that corn with cell cameras and an added 10 days is a BAD combination for deer long term.
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Dances With Weeds
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I promise they were not. Lol. I can assume by the properties I visited annually that corn was already being used and hunted over on about 80-90% of the places I went. I personally don’t think corn has contributed much to harvest. I do, however, fully believe that corn with cell cameras and an added 10 days is a BAD combination for deer long term.
Everybody that has access to 20 acres has a feeder set up on it now. You dont think that adds to the amount being killed?? You dont think folks sitting over corn piles increases bow hunting success?? You just started a thread yourself concerned about too many young bucks being killed because of corn and cameras........
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Fancy
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Right. My concern is the combination of the two. Overall, I do not believe corn use changed much prior and post legalization. It was everywhere beforehand.
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My buddy is in a managed club in Pickens cnty that normally kills several good bucks a year. They are a Westervelt club so they couldn’t feed corn this year and they are seeing way less of their biggest bucks still seeing plenty of youngsters. It could be a coincidence but it may be them going to easier food on surrounding properties. I guess they will find out next year in year two.
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So just so I’m clear on what some of y’all are suggesting…….Are y’all saying that you believe legalizing baiting had ZERO impact on our harvest numbers??? Am I understanding that right??? A way to look at that would be to look at WMA harvest numbers before baiting was legal through now. If Baiting is a huge factor, I’m not doubting it is, but the WMA numbers shouldn’t change because baiting is still illegal on WMAS. I have tried to find this info before. It is not readily available as near as I can tell. The per WMA numbers posted on Outdoor Alabama are several years out of date and any email sent to WFF results in them telling you to fill out a form and pay them to find the info even though I'm sure it's readily available internally. Alabama Outdoor News had an in to get this info and published it every year but they're defunct now.
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Dances With Weeds
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It seems dang near absurd to me to suggest that baiting hasn’t had any impact. I just cant any fathom how you can come to that conclusion. We’re there people who used to bait before it was legal??…..yes……but nowhere even remotely close to the extent to which it is being done now.
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Freak of Nature
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It seems dang near absurd to me to suggest that baiting hasn’t had any impact. I just cant any fathom how you can come to that conclusion. We’re there people who used to bait before it was legal??…..yes……but nowhere even remotely close to the extent to which it is being done now. Baiting has been going on for a looong time on Alabama. It was done Illegally for years, then the stupid 100 yards and out of sight BS for a few years before total legalization, it really hasn't had a major impact.
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It seems dang near absurd to me to suggest that baiting hasn’t had any impact. I just cant any fathom how you can come to that conclusion. We’re there people who used to bait before it was legal??…..yes……but nowhere even remotely close to the extent to which it is being done now. 🤦♂️
If you always do what you've always done you always get what you've always got
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Dances With Weeds
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I'll just have to let y'all be wrong on this one.......moving along.
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I'll have to agree with CNC on this one. Being able to legally hunt over corn has affected the killing numbers. A whole lot more people do it now vs. when it wasn't legal.
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