Aldeer.com Forums Alabama Deer Talk Serious Deer Talk Forum Question Number One

Help me out someone ,anyone, where, what are all these lies 9er keeps refering to?

I tend to agree with him on several things.

I also tend to think some of the things he believes are unrealistic and unattainable. But I respect his passion and determination to fight for what he believes in, and never would argue against his right to express his opinions or beliefs.

give up and have fun, I appreciate his stamina on his beliefs but he's preaching here and going no where

we always need people to question our government, we all know that now

he's reaching these days


I have over 10 years of documentation that shows that QDM works on a 5000 acre tract, he'll never prove to me otherwise

being friends with several biologist and several land owners with larger tracts than I mentioned, one guy has kept data for over 20 years now, all draw the same conclusion about practicing QDM, it works

I still to this day recall when Brian Murphy came over and spoke in Florence, then some guys from Westervelt I believe. the spoke of the problems of leases once members reach 10 plus members. I'm reminded every day here by 49er. Keeps the world spinning and I do appreciate his resolve

Ol' boy does have passion and determination, I'll give him that.

And all he's getting is:

I'd like him to listen to my video post, I thunk he needs it

I don't see anyone disputing that the concepts of QDM work for the most part to achieve the goals many want to achieve. Just because something works doesn't mean it is the role of government to implement it.

I think the problem many of you are having with 49er is that you are assuming he is against QDM. From what I have seen of 49er, I suspect he is practicing QDM in some form himself. He just doesn't believe in big government and doesn't believe implementing QDM is an appropriate role of government. If you ask, most people on here would probably tell you they don't believe in big government....in the next breath, many of them will want more restrictive game laws.

I too don't believe in big government and don't believe implementing QDM is an appropriate role of government. That's why I am and have been opposed to AR's in any form in the State regulations. I am not, however, opposed to sensible numerical limits on the harvest of the States wildlife resources. There is some form of limit on pretty much all wildlife species in the State. As it should be.

Do you think there should be a limit on squirrels? If so, why?

I just read every post and I am exhausted and my stomach is hurting from laughing!

9er, you spelled my name Buckshot! I thought you called me Bucksnot! I accept the IGNORE with pride.

Anyway, you can't say that passion and opinions aren't displayed here!!

cartervj, you're so right!! If you've ever hunted QDM land, you'll never go back! Trigger happy greed is the biggest hurtle to get over.

The Indians tried to get the white men to stop shooting so many buffalos; especially since the white men just let'em lay there and rot! "Ya ain't puttin' limits on me Injun!"

I agree with:

Gobbler
2Dogs
cartervj
Clem
truedouble
bigT
T-town
AlabamaSwamper
Joshm28
Jughead

Dang!! On second thought, I'd saved a lot of typing had I just said that I disagree with:
9er
jlccoffee

If "no limit" is a sensible limit on the harvest of squirrels, I would be fine with it. I don't think (and most would agree) that a virtually "no limit" regulation on the harvest of bucks in Alabama is sensible.

Actually...the government now has limits on the harvest of bison. A very reasonable use of authority.

And again...no one every said that QDM doesn't work....That's the way I hunt too for the most part.

I don't believe in big government. Reducing the limit when the herd had grown and expanded under the previous limit does not rise to the need for government intervention.

he hates QDMA not QDM, besides has the State not always implemented a deer season?


as you mention later squirrels

is there not a difference between small game and big game, like how many times they breed a year or how big a litter they produce


like my post on replacement rates, maybe I should have stated average life spans, big game do tend to live a little longer on average but small game breed way more prolifically

Similar to what BSK said, just because the limit was 1 a day doesn't mean anyone was shooting 1 a day. Wasn't the average number of bucks per hunter less than 2? Weren't most hunters moving toward some sort of QDM on their own? Weren't most hunters limiting themselves and more each year? Why not continue down that road rather than calling for the government to step in if we truly believe in small government?

The move toward QDM in Alabama was an example of exactly how the USA was designed to function. People with freedom gravitate toward the right solution. Not central planning dictating what it thinks is the best solution from the top down.

We aren't disputing the biology. What we are disputing is that the regulations should allow as much freedom as possible while protecting the resource. No one said there should be no deer season...however if the resource could withstand that, why would we need a deer season? Same for other species.

with everything going on, I've become more of a Libertarian, having to vote for a R

I'm very much wanting a smaller Fed Gov, I've seen how rules become so engrossing over a period of time that the fun gets left out of deer hunting. Being a Pres of a club you get to hear all kinds of crap, we went from 1 page to about 12 on our rules, I'd bet that is very common.


Had an hr long talk with a co worker that LIKES to claim himself as an Anarchist, it doesn't work period, never will, cause as he said, people won't allow it cause of greed, so some sort of rule must be in place. But a premise it's a great idea, like socialism he said.

I witnessed the greed thing at our club, it's down right ugly


the only answer to this issue, which I really do not think it is, let our Biologist determine the seasons and limits

so who decides?
the landowner that has 10,000 acres versus the guy like me with 80 acres? or pays to hunt another 400 acres

or the guy that has to hunt WMA's cause of finances

you said you only kill 3 a year at most anyways so what's the problem?

as much as I wanna throw up using this word

since the resource is owned by we the people then it has to be shared but those paying for it, it's only fair

You should really read the road to serfdom.

it has been a while and it was my college years

so are you arguing that 49er is right about how the laws came about? or

the actual law itself


49er and yourself keep mentioning land owners and size of their property

what's that called?

You took care of the greed thing in your club by making rules using your local knowledge. You knew how many members you had. You knew if you had more or less deer than you thought you should have on the property. You knew the goal as far as size you wanted to kill. You knew how many acres you were hunting. You knew what kind of hunting the membership enjoyed. You might have known something about what your neighbors were doing. Did you need to government to write the 12 rules for you or were you capable or handling it for yourself?