The DCNR cannot make up it's own authority. Only the legislature can to that.
Here's how the legislature authorized the DCNR to close seasons:
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(7) To close the season of any species of game in any county or area when, upon a survey by the department, it is found necessary to the conservation and perpetuation of such species and to reopen such closed season when it is deemed advisable.
Was it necessary for you to quit hunting early for the conservation and perpetuation of the species? I don't think so.
Somebody's idea of "herd health" was the reason you could not hunt.
I don't either,but do you think the bag limits on squirrels and coons are necessary for the conservation and perpetuation of the species?
Also I did not stop hunting I just was not the one with the gun.
I don't coon hunt and don't know much about them, but I certainly think we could have much looser restrictions on squirrel hunting and perhaps no restrictions and we still wouldn't make a noticable dent in the squirrel population. What do you think?
I believe the bag limit on coons is being dropped as we speak.
If I'm not mistaken, that rule change is currently being made.
Well thats a start but now the more I think about it I am beginning to think a lot of these bag limits have been drawn up using the famous SWAG method and we just need to hit the reset button and rewrite the whole dang thing.
There used to be a lot more small game hunting back before deer hunting became so popular and the deer population made such a comeback. I don't know when those regulations were written, but maybe they were needed at the time....I just don't think they are now.
The Hunter's Digest indicates that the bag limit on coons no longer exists on privately owned and leased lands.
You can probably look for the same in the official publication of the rules sometime after the season is well under way.
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RACCOON September 1 February 28 Private Owned and Leased Lands: No Bag Limit Open Permit-Public Land: 5 Per Party No running of dogs during daytime or after 3:00 a.m. during and in areas of spring turkey season.
The Hunter's Digest indicates that the bag limit on coons no longer exists on privately owned and leased lands.
You can probably look for the same in the official publication of the rules sometime after the season is well under way.
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RACCOON September 1 – February 28 • Private Owned and Leased Lands: No Bag Limit • Open Permit-Public Land: 5 Per Party • No running of dogs during daytime or after 3:00 a.m. during and in areas of spring turkey season.
If you want a coon you better go get one early. You know how slob hunters are...they are going to wipe out the entire population without someone to tell them when they have killed enough.:)
Well thats a start but now the more I think about it I am beginning to think a lot of these bag limits have been drawn up using the famous SWAG method and we just need to hit the reset button and rewrite the whole dang thing.
Not under our current administration. They don't care what the law says about their authority to set seasons and limits, and you and I are excluded from the prosesss completely by law.
Normally I just read but i'm gonna go out on a limb here and post. Deer hunting in alabama is a business. For the most part the people who are in charge of managing this business, set things up so that the business of deer hunting is increasing in popularity. Managing the state for the growth of larger antlered deer is part of the business model. Deer hunting is a major economy boost for the state and as long as strides are being made to grow bigger deer, alot of dollars will flow in from out of state hunters who may not get the same opportunities at home. The reason for the drop in hunting license sales in alabama is possibly that the business model and popularity of deer hunting in general have made the sport more for the people who can afford the ever rising lease prices, which is becoming a smaller group every year. Unless you own your own place or have close access to public land, deer hunting is quickly becoming out of reach for common folks. Most of the people who influence policy could give less of a damn if you kill fourty squirrels and sixty coons cause squirrel and coon hunting doesn't bring in the cash. But deer are regulated closely because of their value to the state. Many individuals are fine with the way the buck limit is set up because it parallels their mangagement practice/qdm mindset. Some others dislike it because it infringes on their right to hunt as they please. I can see both sides but the people who make decisions on who kills what when will continue to do with the deer herd what will make the state the most dollars, regardless of what any of us think.
Normally I just read but i'm gonna go out on a limb here and post. Deer hunting in alabama is a business. For the most part the people who are in charge of managing this business, set things up so that the business of deer hunting is increasing in popularity. Managing the state for the growth of larger antlered deer is part of the business model. Deer hunting is a major economy boost for the state and as long as strides are being made to grow bigger deer, alot of dollars will flow in from out of state hunters who may not get the same opportunities at home. The reason for the drop in hunting license sales in alabama is possibly that the business model and popularity of deer hunting in general have made the sport more for the people who can afford the ever rising lease prices, which is becoming a smaller group every year. Unless you own your own place or have close access to public land, deer hunting is quickly becoming out of reach for common folks. Most of the people who influence policy could give less of a damn if you kill fourty squirrels and sixty coons cause squirrel and coon hunting doesn't bring in the cash. But deer are regulated closely because of their value to the state. Many individuals are fine with the way the buck limit is set up because it parallels their mangagement practice/qdm mindset. Some others dislike it because it infringes on their right to hunt as they please. I can see both sides but the people who make decisions on who kills what when will continue to do with the deer herd what will make the state the most dollars, regardless of what any of us think.
Still waters run deep, lota truth in your post. It's a balancing act for DCNR and $ is a big factor. That's why I like seeing Forever Wild Land & WMAs I think everyone that wants to hunt should get a chance. I hope hunting never gets to be have and have nots.
Would ya'll please quit quoting truedouble, buckshot, clem, coldtrail, jughead, gobbler, cartervj and 2dogs in your posts?
I chose to ignore them because of their constant lies about my positon on conservation and hunting. Please accept my own words if you want to know my opinion. You won't get the truth about my opinion listening to those listed above.
When you quote these people in your posts, their lying shows up again, an I'd rather not see it. They will have to answer for it, so I'm content to go my separate way an leave them out of my discussions. Unfortunately, they can't accept that.
I think their intent is for me to waste time discounting their lies about my opinions and actions instead of debating the issues on their merits. That's a good indicator of a weak argument.
I don't intend to go down that road any more. I'm sick of it.
I would appreciate it if you wouldn't repeat their lies by quoting them in your posts.
Thanks, Eddie
Why don't you just ask them to quit responding to us at all Eddie, Then you can control the whole conversation with people who agree with you
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Normally I just read but i'm gonna go out on a limb here and post. Deer hunting in alabama is a business. For the most part the people who are in charge of managing this business, set things up so that the business of deer hunting is increasing in popularity. Managing the state for the growth of larger antlered deer is part of the business model. Deer hunting is a major economy boost for the state and as long as strides are being made to grow bigger deer, alot of dollars will flow in from out of state hunters who may not get the same opportunities at home. The reason for the drop in hunting license sales in alabama is possibly that the business model and popularity of deer hunting in general have made the sport more for the people who can afford the ever rising lease prices, which is becoming a smaller group every year. Unless you own your own place or have close access to public land, deer hunting is quickly becoming out of reach for common folks. Most of the people who influence policy could give less of a damn if you kill fourty squirrels and sixty coons cause squirrel and coon hunting doesn't bring in the cash. But deer are regulated closely because of their value to the state. Many individuals are fine with the way the buck limit is set up because it parallels their mangagement practice/qdm mindset. Some others dislike it because it infringes on their right to hunt as they please. I can see both sides but the people who make decisions on who kills what when will continue to do with the deer herd what will make the state the most dollars, regardless of what any of us think.
Good to see someone popping in with some actual opinions and ideas of their own instead of lying and making up trash about someone else's opinions.
Let me address one of your thoughts:
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... Many individuals are fine with the way the buck limit is set up because it parallels their mangagement practice/qdm mindset. Some others dislike it because it infringes on their right to hunt as they please.
May I add that there are many of us who do not fall into either of the categories you described. I have hunted and supported our game and fish laws for more than 50 years. I never saw the seasons and bag limits that were set for genuine conservation purposes as infringements on our right to hunt. Neither did I ever think that hunters should be allowed to do as they please.
There is a category of hunters in our state that believe fully in our game and fish laws, but reject rules implemented soley for qdm and special interest purposes as an abuse of lawful authority. That is the category I find myself in.
Would ya'll please quit quoting truedouble, buckshot, clem, coldtrail, jughead, gobbler, cartervj and 2dogs in your posts?
I chose to ignore them because of their constant lies about my positon on conservation and hunting. Please accept my own words if you want to know my opinion. You won't get the truth about my opinion listening to those listed above.
When you quote these people in your posts, their lying shows up again, an I'd rather not see it. They will have to answer for it, so I'm content to go my separate way an leave them out of my discussions. Unfortunately, they can't accept that.
I think their intent is for me to waste time discounting their lies about my opinions and actions instead of debating the issues on their merits. That's a good indicator of a weak argument.
I don't intend to go down that road any more. I'm sick of it.
I would appreciate it if you wouldn't repeat their lies by quoting them in your posts.
Thanks, Eddie
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The Hunter's Digest indicates that the bag limit on coons no longer exists on privately owned and leased lands.
You can probably look for the same in the official publication of the rules sometime after the season is well under way.
Quote:
RACCOON September 1 – February 28 • Private Owned and Leased Lands: No Bag Limit • Open Permit-Public Land: 5 Per Party • No running of dogs during daytime or after 3:00 a.m. during and in areas of spring turkey season.
If you want a coon you better go get one early. You know how slob hunters are...they are going to wipe out the entire population without someone to tell them when they have killed enough.:)
I hope so, I know of several places that'll let those slob hunters kill em all
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Normally I just read but i'm gonna go out on a limb here and post. Deer hunting in alabama is a business. For the most part the people who are in charge of managing this business, set things up so that the business of deer hunting is increasing in popularity. Managing the state for the growth of larger antlered deer is part of the business model. Deer hunting is a major economy boost for the state and as long as strides are being made to grow bigger deer, alot of dollars will flow in from out of state hunters who may not get the same opportunities at home. The reason for the drop in hunting license sales in alabama is possibly that the business model and popularity of deer hunting in general have made the sport more for the people who can afford the ever rising lease prices, which is becoming a smaller group every year. Unless you own your own place or have close access to public land, deer hunting is quickly becoming out of reach for common folks. Most of the people who influence policy could give less of a damn if you kill fourty squirrels and sixty coons cause squirrel and coon hunting doesn't bring in the cash. But deer are regulated closely because of their value to the state. Many individuals are fine with the way the buck limit is set up because it parallels their mangagement practice/qdm mindset. Some others dislike it because it infringes on their right to hunt as they please. I can see both sides but the people who make decisions on who kills what when will continue to do with the deer herd what will make the state the most dollars, regardless of what any of us think.
Still waters run deep, lota truth in your post. It's a balancing act for DCNR and $ is a big factor. That's why I like seeing Forever Wild Land & WMAs I think everyone that wants to hunt should get a chance. I hope hunting never gets to be have and have nots.
that's why when the program began I called some Senators I know and voiced my support just as you stated
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Another member who lies about my opinions to distract from useful discussions of the issues.
What also amazes me is his (assuming I am being ignored and "he" isn't reading this) is his ignoring, and therefore alienating, even those who tend to agree with him. Clem said the other day "I tend to agree with 49'r on the limit issue" or something to that effect. I also have said it in regards to regulations in general.
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