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Damn.

Constant fear of "death from above" can't be any fun.
This looks scary, big power plant fire https://twitter.com/Defense_Talks/status/1520291710223491075

https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1520075016162926593 never know when it's your time to go


https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/status/1520050280326389760 another cheap drone dropping munitions D.F.A.


This is probably my favorite vid so far, https://youtu.be/7wARY3hvyuY

Holy Hell, that 2nd vid is crazy. Land Mines are hell…prob killed him and his buddy

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1521375118022299648 supposedly hit a radar station, at or near snake island, and a sam battery, you can see a secondary of a rocket cooking off, then targeted a couple of patrol boats. Then second one appeared to be taking evasive maneuvers.

https://twitter.com/AnonOpsSE/status/1520854776308711426 Churchill Esq speech

https://twitter.com/ukraine_world/status/1521377011905830913 some artillery for Irish

In that third video, the tank crews were still inside. Hard to replace tanks. Harder to replace trained tank crews.

Very cool footage

Unless you were in the tank. The only positive thing on their part is they never knew what hit them. I doubt there was any pain or suffering.

And to think, they are not even using the latest NATO artillery yet. That's more than likely old Soviet 152's most likely. You have to hand it to the Ukrainians for being resourceful and using what they have to the very best of their ability. By all accounts they are doing an amazing job.

Yep. I mentioned that earlier in this thread. Tank crews are harder to replace than the tanks are. If you were a soldier, and saw some of the war footage, there is no way you would volunteer for train to fight in a Russian tank.

Check out these numbers. I believe this is from British Intelligence.

There are rumblings that Russian will continue their campaign until September, they’ve abandoned their quest to take the entire Ukraine, will concentrate on the Sea front and area adjacent to Russia. My question is, at the rate they are losing men and equipment, will they have the men and equipment to hold on that long?

They have both the outdated equipment and conscripts (along with chechens and libians) to "fight" as long as they want. Men and material don't mean anything to an elite socialist.

Again this war started in 2014 when the US/NATO staged a coup to over throw the elected government of Ukraine so they the elites can launder $$$ in Ukraine.

All that I know for sure is: The rich will get richer, American tax payer will fund this, and poor people will die.

So its America's fault, Russia had to invade another country? I think you're being generous with the term "elected government" The russians moved the locals out and moved russians into some areas, then held "election"

100% it is NATO & US's fault that Russia invaded.
- If Trump were president Russia would NOT have invaded. Election fraud in the US is one root cause of this invasion.
- Had NATO not continually pushed eastwards, Russian would not have invaded.
- Had the US/NATO stayed out, the war would be over already, Russia would have control and less civilians would have died.

I am NOT in any way saying that Russia is right in its actions (people seem to not have the ability to separate the two), but yes the US/NATO caused this. I can post up dozens of videos, prior to 2020, of world experts saying that this invasion was going to happen due to NATO expansion eastwards.

That Ukraine government was "elected" with the EXACT same methods that were used in our last election. Democrats used it as playbook.

https://2001-2009.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/39542.htm

The following are examples of the most egregious, widely observed and reported examples of election-day fraud on November 21:

Illegal Use of Absentee Ballots: According to the respected NGO "Committee of Voters of Ukraine" (CVU), massive electoral fraud was committed through the illegal use of absentee voter certificates. For example, people were caught in Dnipropetrovsk and Sumy oblasts with their pockets stuffed with blank absentee ballots that they were using to vote at multiple polling stations.

Opposition Observers Ejected: Observers from Our Ukraine and other opposition groups were expelled from most polling stations in eastern Ukraine on Election Day. For example, in Territorial Election Commission (TEC) district number 42 in Donetsk oblast, Our Ukraine observers were kicked out of all but a few polling stations.

North Korean-Style Turnout in the East: Turnout in the pro-Yanukovych eastern oblasts was unnaturally high. In several electoral districts, turnout for the run-off round increased by 30 to 40 percent over the first round. In Luhansk oblast, the reported turnout rate hit nearly 96 percent -- a number that, to quote the OSCE, even Stalinist North Korea would envy. A similar turnout rate was reported in Donetsk oblast, where 98 percent of the votes went to hometown candidate Prime Minister Yanukovych.

Mobile Ballot Box Fraud: In the second round of the election, the number of voters who supposedly cast ballots at home using mobile ballot boxes was double that of the first round. Much of this voting occurred without observers being present and was massively fraudulent. In Mykolayiv oblast, for example, nearly 35 percent of the oblast's voters purportedly cast their ballots "at home."

Computer Data Allegedly Altered To Favor Yanukovych: There were credible reports showing that that Yanukovych supporters gained illegal access to the Central Election Commission's computer system and illegally altered vote tabulation data being transmitted by TECs to the CEC.

Reports of Opposition Fraud: Yanykovych’s supporters allege that Yushchenko’s supporters stuffed ballot boxes in western Ukraine. But the reports and evidence of pro-Yanukovych fraud greatly outweighed those indicated for Yushchenko.

I thought it was the nazi's or was it the biolabs. Its hard to follow the kremlin propaganda talking points from week to week. Russia is solely responsible for invading another country. Russia is responsible for the killing of civilians. I don't see how you can attribute that to UA for not just rolling over and allowing themselves to be invaded. If you wanna support Russia, thats fine. But you can't constantly push the Kremlins narrative, while simultaneously saying "I'm not saying russia is right" or " I'm not saying we shouldn't poke the bear". You've said everyone else is to blame except Russia. I haven't seen where you have ever blamed the Russians for invading another country. Maybe I missed it.



I'm not a world expert, but the 2014 invasion might of been what we simpletons call a clue


#1 except they had already invaded in 2014
#2 Invaded this time, or the last time, or the time before that?
#3 The first part is technically right, I guess. And yes Russia would have control, but likely just as many civilians would be dead or possibly more. The genocide would have been less costly to the Russians is all.

BB, while I respect your opinion and you may even have all your facts right (I haven't checked), I think you are way out of bounds to put the onus of Putin's actions on the U.S. He's a madman, pure and simple.

I know. BB sounds like a Russian version of Bagdad Bob.

And what's this stuff about NATO expansion on Russias western border? What country has recently joined NATO that borders Russia? The last country to join NATO was North Macedonia 2 years ago and they are 3550 miles from the nearest Russian border. How big a buffer zone does Russia need to sleep at night. Does BB advocate giving Alaska back to them as well?

Don't care about BB's post. I support the Ukrainian's position to kill every Russian invader. I'm glad we are helping by sending them the tools they need to do the job.

Is it NATO expanding eastward or former soviet states requesting to join hence their expanding westward? They are a FORMER soviet state, why shouldn't they be able to make the call to join nato?