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You can tell me all you want to about x and Y chromosomes but when you look at what we KNOW to be happening on the ground……The idea that bucks influence rut timing cant be true or we wouldn’t see what we’re seeing……. The idea that bucks influence rut timing does not fit the model that we KNOW to be happening……What does fit the model quite nicely is that does alone dictate it.

but whatever trait or gene that is being passed along that triggers doe estrous timing can only be passed on from female to female……That is the only way things could work out the way we see it happening. A doe that has a late Jan estrous date will have a daughter with a late Jan estrous date no matter which buck she is bred by…

That is not true at all. The buck is 50% of the genetics, plain and simple. That's like saying a 175" buck's male offspring will have 175" of antler potential no matter who the mother is. If doe genetics can influence buck antler size then buck genetics can influence doe estrous dates.

This picture may look like something from a circus but follow me here and this is how the genetics should be playing out……..In this example we have three distinct populations……the red, the blue, and the green……..The big circles represent how the doe genetic distribution is occurring and the small dots are how the buck distribution occurs. Now the way nature would work if we took these three populations and dropped them inside the King Ranch in this manner to restock it (lets assume its void of deer for our example) Natural selection is likely gonna choose for one of the three doe circles to outcompete the other ones over time if there was any distinct advantage that one group had over the other in fawn survival…….However, if we take this same scenario and we drop it into Alabama and we divide the blue and the green by a major interstate highway on this side and habitat fragmentation on that side….. then they would likely be so divided by these barriers that the green and blue doe genetics essentially exist in isolation of one another with a small amount over overlap variance….It would be very hard for each zone to impact the other one because any female mortality inside of the zone is most likely going to be filled back in by expansion from within that zone and not through immigration from outside……the interstate and fragmentation virtually shuts that down from the female side of things.

You’re the one that called it a “genetic trait”. I’m not gonna argue with a stump, you win. You really should check into getting laid, a shot of pussy would work wonders with a wandering mind that can’t focus.

Did anybody think about the influence the deer had that were already there? These places were not absolutely void of deer when the REstocking happened. The deer they brought it mixed with whatever was already there.

Cnc think that through and see if you didnt just contradict yourself

Are you talking about the "just because" comment?.....If so, that was just an inside jab messing with someone.

If the bucks have much to do with the rut timing and they are traveling long distances to breed, wouldnt the rut eventually stabilize across the state? It would seem it has more to do with the more territorial does. Just a thought

I will say that anecdotal observations mean jack chit in the real world.