Originally Posted by West Ridge
One question I always have about the predation theory is how do we explain the past? According to early American reports, there were huge turkey populations recorded by early American settlers yet many more predators existed at that time as well. I believe Alabama was home to our current predators (minus the hogs) plus wolves, bears, mountain lions, ect. How did the turkeys thrive surrounded by more predators than today and no trapping at all?



That’s easy. How many cement jungles and cities did they have then? It amazes me how people can’t see how our uncontrolled population growth and expansion will be the steady downfall of wildlife!

“Carrying capacity” ever heard that? Guess what, that is what a piece of lands capacity is. Let’s use deer for example and say we have 100 acres that can hold one deer per 20 acres. 5 deer.

Now we cut 40 acres of it to build some more houses for ourselves. Now we can have 3 deer. Overall a lot less in % based but the agencies preach were “at carrying capacity” and everyone thinks all is well! When overall it is not, it’s fancy wording that goes right over ppls heads, when their wildlife is diminishing. It’s kind of like evolution, it’s just slow and takes a long time to where you can’t hardly see it happen it’s so gradual.

Our populations over time will overall steadily decline because there isn’t more land being made. It’s very simple!

Look around you, I bet you have plenty places where “we use to hunt right there” is now a neighborhood.

We are nothing more than an island that in habitat at sense is slowly sinking. There less and less left with habitat to support wildlife.

You can see this out west too where you’d think it’s not an issue due to the huge swaths of open land. However it’s still happening, only so much of that land is useful to most wildlife, and the most useful “pretty” parts are being bought up and turned into small ranches for nice big houses with beautiful views. It’s critical winter habitat, them elk, deer, etc can’t live in 4’ of snow so they migrate down. However those winter grounds are shrinking on top of people wanting depredation permits to kill them for eating their hay, crops etc? They even building in animal overpasses on highways to try and help these animals migrate across the highways that get built.

Whether we like it or not the reality is there isn’t an unlimited amount of land/habitat for everything to exist unimpacted.

Last edited by sasquatch1; 04/16/21 08:59 AM.