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Coyotes are targeting are food plots…….We’re concentrating deer this time of year and our food plots are becoming predators draws. Why?....Because that’s where there’s lots of deer activity and wounded deer smell. Where do most deer get shot these days? On a food plot…..They find these deer were tracking so quickly 1) Because nighttime tracking conditions are far superior to daytime…..but 2) it’s because they are just sitting there waiting on us to cripple one up…..constantly checking the plots for it to happen.
Dealing with coyotes is gonna be something that becomes more and more a part of tracking in the future. I’ve had numerous tracks…..a couple just in the past week where the hunters crippled one up in the afternoon and tell me that while they were looking for it coyotes were up ahead of them “going nuts”. The hunter yesterday hit the nail on the head I believe……He said….”I think they were actually baying the deer”……and I think he was probably spot on…..
I think in the future its gonna become more and more of a race to beat the coyotes to the deer if you want to recover it. I think we’re already there in many places. I had another tracker tell me that he actually had a pack of yotes try and take a wounded deer away from his dog while she had it bayed up over in south GA.....He's an aldeer member too if he's reading along and wants to tell the story.
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[CNC] There would be a situation where I might be ok with trackers registering with the state like the new bill is wanting to do [CNC]
You saying the state government now wants to license and regulate dog trackers????????
Guess they been reading Aldeer and think they need to overlord something else?
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[CNC] There would be a situation where I might be ok with trackers registering with the state like the new bill is wanting to do [CNC]
You saying the state government now wants to license and regulate dog trackers????????
Guess they been reading Aldeer and think they need to overlord something else? Somebody needs some more money don't you know. I think it's ridiculous to include tracking dogs with people running deer with dogs under the same laws. I know hunting with dogs is hunting with dogs period. At the same time our dogs aren't chasing healthy deer and I know my dogs won't track a deer that isn't putting off pheromones saying its hurt. We call off tracks all the time because the deer is gonna live. Just because we say the dogs went 3 miles doesn't mean they went 3 miles in a straight line. That's just how much running the dogs did. Half the time its big circles and we end up almost back where we started. I can also guarantee if my dogs can bay a deer coyotes can to. Were not out catching deer that have been grazed or are barely hurt. I've found 4 dead deer this year all the other ones had to be dispatched. I know for a fact if we quit tracking every deer thats alive we wouldn't recover hardly any and we would be leaving alot of animals to suffer and go to waste. We try to give the deer time to die before we track it but like everything else in life some times we just do what we have to. I know I have a wife, 3 kids and work full time. We track alot at night simply because we have to work the next morning along with the person we are tracking for. So should we wait till the next evening and let the meat waste or go in a little earlier and dispatch it. I let a gut shot deer lay for 12hours with a bow or around 8 with a gun when we can but alot of the times when we just have some hair and a speck of blood we don't know what to expect. If you make people wait to long and the meat is spoiled they'll be mad at you. If you go in and jump the deer and it crosses property lines you suck because you didn't wait long enough. One of those you can't win em all scenarios. I don't think we should all be classified as dog hunters and under the same regulations but that's just my opinion and I can see how people see it differently
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So, if there is a change in the regulations that is pending, who do we contact in order to try and stop it ?
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[CNC] There would be a situation where I might be ok with trackers registering with the state like the new bill is wanting to do [CNC]
You saying the state government now wants to license and regulate dog trackers????????
Guess they been reading Aldeer and think they need to overlord something else? Somebody needs some more money don't you know. I think it's ridiculous to include tracking dogs with people running deer with dogs under the same laws. I know hunting with dogs is hunting with dogs period. At the same time our dogs aren't chasing healthy deer and I know my dogs won't track a deer that isn't putting off pheromones saying its hurt. We call off tracks all the time because the deer is gonna live. Just because we say the dogs went 3 miles doesn't mean they went 3 miles in a straight line. That's just how much running the dogs did. Half the time its big circles and we end up almost back where we started. I can also guarantee if my dogs can bay a deer coyotes can to. Were not out catching deer that have been grazed or are barely hurt. I've found 4 dead deer this year all the other ones had to be dispatched. I know for a fact if we quit tracking every deer thats alive we wouldn't recover hardly any and we would be leaving alot of animals to suffer and go to waste. We try to give the deer time to die before we track it but like everything else in life some times we just do what we have to. I know I have a wife, 3 kids and work full time. We track alot at night simply because we have to work the next morning along with the person we are tracking for. So should we wait till the next evening and let the meat waste or go in a little earlier and dispatch it. I let a gut shot deer lay for 12hours with a bow or around 8 with a gun when we can but alot of the times when we just have some hair and a speck of blood we don't know what to expect. If you make people wait to long and the meat is spoiled they'll be mad at you. If you go in and jump the deer and it crosses property lines you suck because you didn't wait long enough. One of those you can't win em all scenarios. I don't think we should all be classified as dog hunters and under the same regulations but that's just my opinion and I can see how people see it differently Yep, big difference in tracking and dog hunting for sure.....We tracked this deer down and dispatched it for a big dog club in Chambers Co a few years ago.....It takes a whole different skill set for a dog to track just the wounded animal.......Just because a dog is involved its not the same as traditionally running them with dogs ......Still one of the most fun tracks I've been on though.....Great group of guys too.......Apparently funnest is not a word.  ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/TcmpSZR.jpg)
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So, if there is a change in the regulations that is pending, who do we contact in order to try and stop it ? Your local state representative.
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So, if there is a change in the regulations that is pending, who do we contact in order to try and stop it ? Also write a letter to the CAB members letting them know that you are against this......It's the dog hunters association who are bringing it forth and trying to get it passed.
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Getting ugly from what I'm seeing on Facebook.
"I'm not near as critical about how big they are as I once was. Smiles are more important now! We will grow more deer."
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Is there a House Bill to reference ?
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Is there a House Bill to reference ? It's called the Alabama Ethical Hunters Act
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Getting ugly from what I'm seeing on Facebook. Its really a shame what is happening……..I hate when people intentionally play dumb…..The dog hunting association is not going to win back the things that they have lost in the past by trying to make us all out to be dog hunters…..All they are going to accomplish is having regulations placed on trackers that doesn’t make sense and that will hurt us all….trackers and hunters……. It's a pretty selfish move on their part but I guess that's politics
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Getting ugly from what I'm seeing on Facebook. Its really a shame what is happening……..I hate when people intentionally play dumb…..The dog hunting association is not going to win back the things that they have lost in the past by trying to make us all out to be dog hunters…..All they are going to accomplish is having regulations placed on trackers that doesn’t make sense and that will hurt us all….trackers and hunters……. It's a pretty selfish move on their part but I guess that's politics I'm a doghunter and I agree.
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Man the more of those comments I read the more I just drop my head…..I hate “more regulations” as much as the next guy but in some situations it seems like its almost inevitable and wishful thinking to believe it can be avoided. I’ll say this…….
If and when the powers that be decide that we must pass regulations that more specifically outline the rules for tracking……I hope that we can sit down and make out a set of rules specifically for tracking that make sense and not just ones that put us all under the same umbrella. Ones that don’t allow the precedent that has already been set by dog hunters in the past to dictate how we manage blood tracking with dogs in the future. I hope that we can come up with something that will benefit the hunters and the resource and not just something that temporarily appeases a few loud voices. I hope that we can use common sense. Tracking wounded deer with dogs is an invaluable resource to us as a hunting community. We have this opportunity to define how we allow that resource to be utilized moving forward. I sure hope we don’t dick it up.
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Trust me Harold the powers at be will make sure tracking dogs are left out of the crap. Whole lot of rich politicians who can’t shoot for shucks I’ll bet.
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Trust me Harold the powers at be will make sure tracking dogs are left out of the crap. Whole lot of rich politicians who can’t shoot for shucks I’ll bet.
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I know I've tracked for a couple game wardens. I'm not saying some aren't against us but most have a very open mind about it and understand what we do. Hard for me to see them enforcing to many laws on us. They know we can't catch deer with dogs on leed and they also know a very large percent are still alive and need finishing off. Now if you get caught on a wma off leed or something that's a totally different ball game but on private property I can't see it being a problem
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I know I've tracked for a couple game wardens. I'm not saying some aren't against us but most have a very open mind about it and understand what we do. Hard for me to see them enforcing to many laws on us. They know we can't catch deer with dogs on leed and they also know a very large percent are still alive and need finishing off. Now if you get caught on a wma off leed or something that's a totally different ball game but on private property I can't see it being a problem I’m afraid its gonna eventually get turned into a debate about “on lead” or “off lead” and decisions will get made that sound good on the surface by people who don’t really have first hand knowledge of how things work……The Garmin Alpha systems we use are able to be utlized like an invisible lead…..The only reason my dogs get out of my site is if I allow them to. I don’t have to have a rope in my hand attached to them in order to make that happen. I am in full control of the dog at all times. At the CAB meeting it will make sense to some to make us all leash our dogs……It will seem stupid as all hell when I’m trying to beat my way through a 5 year old stand of pines and briars or wade a beaver swamp while holding onto a dog at the end of a 30 ft rope. It will just be way more cumbersome than it has to be and really diminish our effectiveness. On lead tracking is something that was pioneered in areas like the northeast where the habitat if far different. Off lead tracking came about in areas like Texas where the habitat is much more like ours.
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Is there a House Bill to reference ? It's called the Alabama Ethical Hunters Act Bunch of authoritarian anti-freedom government control freaks out there. Are they from California or something??? Anyone have a link to the proposed "Act." Don't think CAB can legislate an Act btw.
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CNC, question for you and the other trackers that have been tracking for a while. Over the years there have been a lot of new ammo types that have came out that has changed guns to improve the accuracy. Which ammo for most calibers leave:
1. The best blood trail and possiblity of drt or less than 50 yards tracking.
2. The worst blood trail, but laying within 50 yards.
3. Worst ammo type period even if accurate.
Just thought you guys could share a little incite to help folks get the best out of their weapon/ammo combo. Nothing like a well placed shot, but I have noticed some ammo just not being as good as others myself or good for a certain gun for deer.
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something with a lead core and copper jacket nosler partition, hornady inter locks, ballistic tips work good. A well placed bullet in the vitals.
Solid cooper bullets out some of these newer hot rod calibers seem not do just a lot of damage unless you got bone
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