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Ive got some old nannies. We quit killing does several years ago and just feed alot more. Talked some closeby neighbors into sparing the does and eating young bucks. It has made a difference. I probably have pictures of 20 1yr old bucks. No way it could hurt anything to kill a couple of them. Them big does will be three deer next year, 7-8 deer year after next, 15+ that next year. I understand some people think they have too many. And i understand the best remedy for that is killing a few does. We had the opposite problem. It has taken us 5yrs i guess to get it where deer hunting is a pleasure around here. I had 18 in the field at dark yesterday. I expect there to be a few days of 20+. We see more bucks than we ever have. Not like they show it on tv by a long shot but its alot better than it used to be. Thats because of two things 1)dont kill does 2)plant as much and put out as much feed as we can afford to. Same exact approach we have taken. It works. I dont want to be misunderstood. Lee and tiffany would laugh at what we have going on. Alot of yall have much better places to hunt. Im just saying, if you want to see more deer, put out more feed and quit killing the baby makers.
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I never been big on shootin does
Considering it this year in Wilcox
I don’t disagree w u - glad u seeing some improvements - got to feel good
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self
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Ive got some old nannies. We quit killing does several years ago and just feed alot more. Talked some closeby neighbors into sparing the does and eating young bucks. It has made a difference. I probably have pictures of 20 1yr old bucks. No way it could hurt anything to kill a couple of them. Them big does will be three deer next year, 7-8 deer year after next, 15+ that next year. I understand some people think they have too many. And i understand the best remedy for that is killing a few does. We had the opposite problem. It has taken us 5yrs i guess to get it where deer hunting is a pleasure around here. I had 18 in the field at dark yesterday. I expect there to be a few days of 20+. We see more bucks than we ever have. Not like they show it on tv by a long shot but its alot better than it used to be. Thats because of two things 1)dont kill does 2)plant as much and put out as much feed as we can afford to. Same exact approach we have taken. It works. I dont want to be misunderstood. Lee and tiffany would laugh at what we have going on. Alot of yall have much better places to hunt. Im just saying, if you want to see more deer, put out more feed and quit killing the baby makers. This is true to a certain extent. We had all but stopped shooting does on our place for the past 5 years. Also most of our neighbors have quit hunting so they aren’t killing any either. We now have a bunch of old mean blowing does everywhere. According to the cameras they run every buck that shows up at the feeders and plots off. We decided it’s time to try to get rid of some of them older does. That’s not an easy task. Those older does are smart
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What happens to the rest of the group of 8 when you shoot the head mama doe? Of course the button head is leaving eventually anyways but what happens with the other does in the group? Do they stick together and one just assumes the new lead role? Do they bust up and form new doe groups? How do they handle the competition from other doe groups now that the head doe is gone?
I don’t fully understand it but I have a feeling that shooting the old mama does that are leading these groups will cause turmoil in the social structure somehow…..I think its definitely gonna cause sudden new competition amongst doe groups which will make everything more erratic and less patternable….Yes, those old does are territorial and aggressive toward young bucks but are you truly better off taking them out??
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Folks that know don't shoot old does........ 
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What happens to the rest of the group of 8 when you shoot the head mama doe? Of course the button head is leaving eventually anyways but what happens with the other does in the group? Do they stick together and one just assumes the new lead role? Do they bust up and form new doe groups? How do they handle the competition from other doe groups now that the head doe is gone?
I don’t fully understand it but I have a feeling that shooting the old mama does that are leading these groups will cause turmoil in the social structure somehow…..I think its definitely gonna cause sudden new competition amongst doe groups which will make everything more erratic and less patternable….Yes, those old does are territorial and aggressive toward young bucks but are you truly better off taking them out??
Some of those older does need taken out because they're to smart.
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Especially them blowing daughters of bucks.
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What happens to the rest of the group of 8 when you shoot the head mama doe? Of course the button head is leaving eventually anyways but what happens with the other does in the group? Do they stick together and one just assumes the new lead role? Do they bust up and form new doe groups? How do they handle the competition from other doe groups now that the head doe is gone?
I don’t fully understand it but I have a feeling that shooting the old mama does that are leading these groups will cause turmoil in the social structure somehow…..I think its definitely gonna cause sudden new competition amongst doe groups which will make everything more erratic and less patternable….Yes, those old does are territorial and aggressive toward young bucks but are you truly better off taking them out??
I don’t get into it that deep. I don’t know if we are better off but it makes me feel better knowing that with no air in her lungs,that long nose ho can’t blow no more. Like Jared said, some of em just needs killin. And they make good sausage.
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For meat I'd target spikes and yearling does if processing myself
Folks that know don't shoot old does........
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For meat I'd target spikes and yearling does if processing myself We got one in the plot with spots still.
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For meat I'd target spikes and yearling does if processing myself We got one in the plot with spots still. There's just not enough meat on spotted fawns to mess with. It's the year and a half old deer that I'm talking about.....young and tender but still a decent amount of meat.....I don't think you mess with much social structure taking them out either.....maybe just a little hunting pressure applied but it likely doesn't shake up social dynamics nearly as much as whacking the "Godmother"
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For meat I'd target spikes and yearling does if processing myself We got one in the plot with spots still. There's just not enough meat on spotted fawns to mess with. It's the year and a half old deer that I'm talking about.....young and tender but still a decent amount of meat Dumbest deer in the woods too
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For meat I'd target spikes and yearling does if processing myself We got one in the plot with spots still. There's just not enough meat on spotted fawns to mess with. It's the year and a half old deer that I'm talking about.....young and tender but still a decent amount of meat.....I don't think you mess with much social structure taking them out either.....maybe just a little hunting pressure applied but it likely doesn't shake up social dynamics nearly as much as whacking the "Godmother" We try not to shoot in groups of does. We take loners or big does with just yearlings with them. Does with fawns get a pass.
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Ours don’t group up much. We may see 7-8 in one hunt but most come from different areas and directions. We’ve had one group of 10 one year but since big groups are rare.
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This was a few years ago..... I saw that piebald for three seasons....She was the fawn of one of those biggest does ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/oIWXgs8.jpg)
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It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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For meat I'd target spikes and yearling does if processing myself We got one in the plot with spots still. There's just not enough meat on spotted fawns to mess with. It's the year and a half old deer that I'm talking about.....young and tender but still a decent amount of meat Dumbest deer in the woods too There's also more cohorts in that age group than any other........You have more young does you have 5 1/2+ year old ones
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When those old does disappeared, did it throw chaos into the social structure of your doe groups?
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When those old does disappeared, did it throw chaos into the social structure of your doe groups? It's hard for me to make that call here because I cant just isolate that variable really......I dont shoot any does though I do still get come mortality due to the road...Its usually little ones and young bucks. This would be something good for someone like Auburn to do at their research facility where they have a close eye on everything and can better see the effect of something like this......There has definitely been a big disruption over the last 5 years here at my place but I dont know the for sure cause of it.....I had a big spike in yote activity too so I dont know how much of it was this or that............Maybe things are building back up now....I'm seeing this group of 8 again.......and another group of 3.........and one lone doe......Five years ago I was seeing 20-25+ in January with multiple big doe groups
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Nothing is going to happen if you shoot an old doe. They are about to die anyway no guarantee after 5 they will see another season either way.
Same thing with deer in general. They are like raising livestock. If you have 3 one gets sick and lives you still have 3. If one gets sick and dies you have 2. If you have 50 and 5 get sick and die you still have 45 left. Getting sick and dying is a given. This concept many can't seem to grasp. Wild anything can and will die at any moment. The more deer you have the better the odds something will make it to maturity. Of those that do make it even fewer will have the racks some of us are looking for. Odds are not good with low populations.
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Same thing with deer in general. They are like raising livestock.
Negative........There is much more social dynamics at play with a wild deer herd than with a bunch of cows standing around in a pasture
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