This place kills me. 99% of Aldeer members would kill both without hesitation but when they're at the keyboard, they talk about lettin em walk. I'd kill both as soon as the shot was presented.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson

"I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers." George Mason