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Lucky Bastage
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But, you are not an undecided voter. This. Trump voters will vote for Trump. Biden voters will vote for Biden. The object of the debate is to convince the undecided voters to vote for you. Trump failed on that part. The candidate that draws the most independent voters will win this election. The next debate, they should be placed in a sound proof room. Their mike will be turned off when it is not their turn to speak. When their allotted time to talk is up, the mike will be turned off as well. Force them to be concise and to the point. This is your opinion from the Standpoint of a decided voter. You don’t know how undecided voters react to the debates until after the election. Millions of people said the same about about the debates back in 2016....and he gained plenty of those “undecided” voters way back then. You 💯 % know what they think and how they react because it’s all over social media. And again... this story was 100% the same story that we dealt with 4 years ago. Social media and the media in general had everyone thinking Hillary was going to win. Also fwiw, I highly doubt that many of us have enough undecided voters that actually matter on our social media pages to form a legitimate opinion on the thoughts of Undecided voters from states that will effect the election. Our social media friends in Alabama and social media Friends in Oregon don’t tell us much about the voters that these 2 men are actually trying to swing. As far as blacks and hispanic undecided voters, Trump is swinging more of them to his side than any Republican President in our History. That’s fact and could play a big role. A Problem I see is that a bunch of “Trump supporters” who weren’t initially Trump supporters, but were Republicans, are still longing for the same old washed up GOP candidates that we’ve had over and over again. 4 years later they still aren’t use to his Presidential style.
The fool tells me his reasons; the wise man persuades me with my own.
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Freak of Nature
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I'll be the first to admit, I don't think I know a single undecided voter.
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I no I don't. It's about half and half too.
Whoever is happy will make others happy too. Anne Frank
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Also for those that think Trump needs to tone it down- If he tones it down there will be no one there to call Biden out on his blatant wish-washing of his policies.
No one can tell me where Biden stands on key policies and Biden won’t openly say it on a debate stage. “Undecided” voters will notice that too if they do their studying. If he’s allowed to skate around questions without answers and have no immediate repercussions from it, it will just continue the brainwashing of American people. HTe needs to be called out immediately or it will get discarded in the very next news cycle. The problem I see with what you are saying is this: Trump needs to let Biden answer before he responds. And if the moderator doesn't allow him to respond. Then use his next question to respond to that topic. In 2016, Trump allowed Hillary to answer and that worked for him. I'm not saying don't say Wrong in the middle of their answer. Or interrupt and say, that isn't true. But, Don't talk over Biden so that it appears he will not let the man speak. I also agree with who ever said if Trump would let Biden talk about guns, abortion, or any other topic. Biden will look like the fool he is, then Trump can pounce on him. Very rarely, if ever is Biden actually asked about Guns, abortion, racism and etc. It’s pathetic really. They asked Trump about denouncing white supremacy and the Proud Boys. Biden has a long track record of saying racist things and has never been called out on it by moderators and media. If it wasn’t for Trump calling Joe out on the “super predator” type of comments, most would of never heard of it. The “You ain’t black”, racial jungles, poor kids/white kids, and comments about the diversity of black people’s minds are never brought up. But they damn sure enough want to bring up the Proud boys, who are nothing more than guys riding around in Trucks with Flags. Antifa and BLM should have been the topic of that question and they failed the American people by not asking THAT question.
The fool tells me his reasons; the wise man persuades me with my own.
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Lucky Bastage
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I'll be the first to admit, I don't think I know a single undecided voter. Right. None of us really know enough endecided voters, if any, to form any kind of legitimate opinion on undecided voters. Especially in those states that actually matter toward this election.
The fool tells me his reasons; the wise man persuades me with my own.
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I personally think that the only undecided voters in this election are really within the two significant minority groups (african Americans and Hispanics). The only thing undecided is whether or not they will break from their historic tradition of voting 96% and 90% (repspectively) democrat in elections. I personally think that Trump has made very significant in-roads with both groups and will win the most votes ever from both demographics by a Republican. I also think that that is why the dems are pushing so hard for mail in voting. They know this and their polling shows it. Mail in ballots are the key to their strategy and their only hope at winning/cheating. They will know on election night, as the legitimate in person votes totals by state are revealed, a rough count on the number of mail in ballots they need to forge in each state. That's when the dems will begin their campaign.
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Freak of Nature
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At the end of the day everything that would have helped Trump was lost in the fray.
2nd Amendment, what is your plan Joe? Where is Beto?
Court Packing, Who would be Biden's Supreme Court Nominees, etc. No definitive answers were given around that subject.
Green New Deal. What parts are you for/against Joe. You are both for and against it. Which parts?
China and trade.
Iran and sanctions.
Eliminating Trump's Tax Cuts.
Biden - did you or did you not know what Trump was getting investigated and the whole thing was a setup? Why did you unmask Flynn?, etc. You were briefed on it how could you not know anything?
We can go on but the message that didn't get across to undecided voters was that Joe Biden is for socialist policies, he is anti Gun, he is pro-China/corruption/Wall Street gutting of America, he wants to apologize to Iran, he wants to raise your taxes and he is a total dam CROOK and corrupt as hail.
He won't be asked any of those questions in the following debates. The chance to really get to the bottom of where Joe Biden stands on these issues was LOST by Chirs Wallace asking Trump about his Tax Returns, White Supremacy, Racism, etc. What Chris should have done is when Trump kept pressing the issue on the $3 million loan Hunter got from the Russians.... is address it. Just stop and ask Biden point blank did Hunter take money from Moscow and if he said NO, then call him out for lying. Because he is lying and still nobody is talking about it.
Chris didn't want to do any of that because those facts didn't fit Chris's narrative. IMO that's really what led to the arguing. Trump would say something and maybe it was bait.... however Chris side stepped it all.
Real Shame IMO. A LOT of opportunity was lost. The next 2 debates none of those questions are going to get asked.
Last night was a real injustice to the American people.
perfect summary of last night. None of these questions were answered just as planned. They don’t won’t the American people to know the truth. Keep the masses dumbed down. Wallace got exactly what he wanted last night by asking the questions he did Plenty of time, gonna be two more …….if Biden shows.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Freak of Nature
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Think Biden is gonna stroke out with all the juice they pumping in him. He's actually staying up all day now
LUCK:::; When presistence, dedication, perspiration and preparation meet up with opportunity!!!
- - - - - - - -A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have. Thomas Jeferson - - - - - - - -
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[quote=Rebelman]Trump got his ass kicked (mostly by himself). He better plan better for the next debate. If I were Biden, I’d opt out for any more debates. I don’t think he can do any better than he did tonight.
Absolutely wrong. Listen closely. He made the left question him. That was the goal and he did it flawlessly. Trump votes are going to be there no matter what. On the other hand, if he can get some left leaning Democraps to come over the our side then he is much better off. Biden lost some fence line leftest last night when he didn’t back Antifi and BLM and the new green deal.
Go Hard or Go Home!
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Freak of Nature
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Biden said he doesn't support the green new deal. Fox showed his website saying he does. All Biden did way lie
LUCK:::; When presistence, dedication, perspiration and preparation meet up with opportunity!!!
- - - - - - - -A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have. Thomas Jeferson - - - - - - - -
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Freak of Nature
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At the end of the day everything that would have helped Trump was lost in the fray.
2nd Amendment, what is your plan Joe? Where is Beto?
Court Packing, Who would be Biden's Supreme Court Nominees, etc. No definitive answers were given around that subject.
Green New Deal. What parts are you for/against Joe. You are both for and against it. Which parts?
China and trade.
Iran and sanctions.
Eliminating Trump's Tax Cuts.
Biden - did you or did you not know what Trump was getting investigated and the whole thing was a setup? Why did you unmask Flynn?, etc. You were briefed on it how could you not know anything?
We can go on but the message that didn't get across to undecided voters was that Joe Biden is for socialist policies, he is anti Gun, he is pro-China/corruption/Wall Street gutting of America, he wants to apologize to Iran, he wants to raise your taxes and he is a total dam CROOK and corrupt as hail.
He won't be asked any of those questions in the following debates. The chance to really get to the bottom of where Joe Biden stands on these issues was LOST by Chirs Wallace asking Trump about his Tax Returns, White Supremacy, Racism, etc. What Chris should have done is when Trump kept pressing the issue on the $3 million loan Hunter got from the Russians.... is address it. Just stop and ask Biden point blank did Hunter take money from Moscow and if he said NO, then call him out for lying. Because he is lying and still nobody is talking about it.
Chris didn't want to do any of that because those facts didn't fit Chris's narrative. IMO that's really what led to the arguing. Trump would say something and maybe it was bait.... however Chris side stepped it all.
Real Shame IMO. A LOT of opportunity was lost. The next 2 debates none of those questions are going to get asked.
Last night was a real injustice to the American people.
A lot of great points made in this post. In my opinion for the next debate the President shouldn’t even answer the moderators questions when asked. He should reply, “thanks for the question and I’ll answer that later if time permits, but first I’m going to talk about coal fired energy plants that Joe Biden is against since you want ask him.” And do this on all of the real issues that the asskissen media won’t ask. Their damn heads would explode.
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God Bless America!
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I'll be the first to admit, I don't think I know a single undecided voter. Yeah, it's not about undecided, it's about turn out.
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