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Wallace can’t control theses guys they should hire Jerry Springer next time; the only way to give either of these guys their 2 mins would be to cut the mic off ... if this was a debate, hell -- my ex & I had a very happy marriage!
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I remember Biden being accused of plagiarism back when he was in the Senate. What little respect I have for the man went out the window when he called Trump a clown. The Office of the President of the United States, no matter how much you dislike the man, should never be disrespected in that way. At that point I wish Trump had tore into him, but why he let that slide I wish I knew. Unfortunately Trump was ill prepared for the debate. Biden was ready for the same thing that happened to Hillary, and he played his hand the right way for most of it until nearing the end when he started to lose control. I voted yesterday, dropped off my absentee at the Elections office, and the debate was no reason for changing my vote, but there’s still 14% of the voting public still undecided, and I hope Trump can get it together and stick to the good things that he’s done for the country on the next debate.
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its funny they called the proud boys white supremacist. I'm not aware of a white supremacist group that allows mexicans and blacks in. I did see were the PB's changed their logo and put stand by and stand down on there banner, lol.The pb's don't even carry guns when marching/rallying. What he meant by that is, they've been given the stand down order till after the election. So they don't shed any negative light on the antifa/blm movement, because the media will/has try to blame them for the "peaceful protest's" turning violent.
I thought trump did a good job of making Joe look like a stuttering stammering fool that alienated alot of his base, especially the radical left, I'm sure it cost him alot of votes.
The real danger is voter fraud.
I think theer'e alot less undecided voters as yall may think, most people the silent majority isn't answering these polls truthfully due to being labeled a racist because they support Trump
does anyone else think Joe had these questions in advance?
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the only way to give either of these guys their 2 mins would be to cut the mic off ... if this was a debate, hell -- my ex & I had a very happy marriage! I was thinking last night if the mic was automatically cut off at 2 minutes, whoever the moderator was would have a lot easier time maintaining some semblance of order.
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How many of ya'll would invite Trump to yer hunting club for a weekend??? Pretty sure I'd ask him to leave first day...He's a loud brash yankee from New York. I don't give a shitt how the debate went, I, and most others, are going to vote on what he actually DOES and has DONE. Which is a lot. Biden ain't done crap in 47 years but get rich off us. I've been a Trump supporter from the day he announced he was going to run, still am. Trump 2020. But, you are not an undecided voter. You can say someone who is undecided at this point shouldn't be allowed to vote. You can say he was being Trump. You can say he needs to be a bulldog. But, the bottom line is, no one who was undecided going into that debate watched it and said, Trump is the man. I'm voting for Trump and have never waivered in that and won't. He is absolutely the best man for the job right now and he is by far the most electable republican out there. He has a very strong base. I don't think anyone who voted for him in 2016 will vote for Biden now. I do think there a a lot of Hillary voters that will not vote for Biden. I think Trump will win. But, I want it to be so much of a landslide that there is no question who won and it is known on election night. I am sure I will get slammed and called names. But, Trump needs to tone it down a little in the next debate, let Biden hand himself and win over the undecided voters that will determine this election. You can be a bulldog and know when to attack and when to let your opponent make a mistake that gives you the advantage you need to kill him. This
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How many of ya'll would invite Trump to yer hunting club for a weekend??? Pretty sure I'd ask him to leave first day...He's a loud brash yankee from New York. I don't give a shitt how the debate went, I, and most others, are going to vote on what he actually DOES and has DONE. Which is a lot. Biden ain't done crap in 47 years but get rich off us. I've been a Trump supporter from the day he announced he was going to run, still am. Trump 2020. But, you are not an undecided voter. You can say someone who is undecided at this point shouldn't be allowed to vote. You can say he was being Trump. You can say he needs to be a bulldog. But, the bottom line is, no one who was undecided going into that debate watched it and said, Trump is the man. I'm voting for Trump and have never waivered in that and won't. He is absolutely the best man for the job right now and he is by far the most electable republican out there. He has a very strong base. I don't think anyone who voted for him in 2016 will vote for Biden now. I do think there a a lot of Hillary voters that will not vote for Biden. I think Trump will win. But, I want it to be so much of a landslide that there is no question who won and it is known on election night. I am sure I will get slammed and called names. But, Trump needs to tone it down a little in the next debate, let Biden hand himself and win over the undecided voters that will determine this election. You can be a bulldog and know when to attack and when to let your opponent make a mistake that gives you the advantage you need to kill him. This x2
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Biden is going to win and if we are super lucky Republicans will retain Senate and maybe because of the riots control the house for a couple years.
I would have said that last week. Trump didn't do anything in the Debate to lose voters and I don't think Biden did anything to pickup votes either. It was a turd floater top to bottom.
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How many of ya'll would invite Trump to yer hunting club for a weekend??? Pretty sure I'd ask him to leave first day...He's a loud brash yankee from New York. I don't give a shitt how the debate went, I, and most others, are going to vote on what he actually DOES and has DONE. Which is a lot. Biden ain't done crap in 47 years but get rich off us. I've been a Trump supporter from the day he announced he was going to run, still am. Trump 2020. But, you are not an undecided voter. You can say someone who is undecided at this point shouldn't be allowed to vote. You can say he was being Trump. You can say he needs to be a bulldog. But, the bottom line is, no one who was undecided going into that debate watched it and said, Trump is the man. I'm voting for Trump and have never waivered in that and won't. He is absolutely the best man for the job right now and he is by far the most electable republican out there. He has a very strong base. I don't think anyone who voted for him in 2016 will vote for Biden now. I do think there a a lot of Hillary voters that will not vote for Biden. I think Trump will win. But, I want it to be so much of a landslide that there is no question who won and it is known on election night. I am sure I will get slammed and called names. But, Trump needs to tone it down a little in the next debate, let Biden hand himself and win over the undecided voters that will determine this election. You can be a bulldog and know when to attack and when to let your opponent make a mistake that gives you the advantage you need to kill him. This x2 X3
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But, you are not an undecided voter. This. Trump voters will vote for Trump. Biden voters will vote for Biden. The object of the debate is to convince the undecided voters to vote for you. Trump failed on that part. The candidate that draws the most independent voters will win this election. The next debate, they should be placed in a sound proof room. Their mike will be turned off when it is not their turn to speak. When their allotted time to talk is up, the mike will be turned off as well. Force them to be concise and to the point.
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The next debate, they should be placed in a sound proof room. Their mike will be turned off when it is not their turn to speak. When their allotted time to talk is up, the mike will be turned off as well. Force them to be concise and to the point.
I was thinking that last night. Too bad we can't trust them to not pipe some coaching into the rooms to help the candidates out.
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But, you are not an undecided voter. This. Trump voters will vote for Trump. Biden voters will vote for Biden. The object of the debate is to convince the undecided voters to vote for you. Trump failed on that part. The candidate that draws the most independent voters will win this election. The next debate, they should be placed in a sound proof room. Their mike will be turned off when it is not their turn to speak. When their allotted time to talk is up, the mike will be turned off as well. Force them to be concise and to the point. Don't forget about the dead people, 99.9% of them will vote for sleepy Joe
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For me, Trump wins my vote easily because he supports the infants right to life. Biden believes in keeping the murder of unborn infants legal. That’s all I need to know from those two. Multi-gazillionaires have no clue how to make life better for us. Thank goodness their narcissism drives them to win votes which means they have to find a way to make most of us support them.
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But, you are not an undecided voter. This. Trump voters will vote for Trump. Biden voters will vote for Biden. The object of the debate is to convince the undecided voters to vote for you. Trump failed on that part. The candidate that draws the most independent voters will win this election. The next debate, they should be placed in a sound proof room. Their mike will be turned off when it is not their turn to speak. When their allotted time to talk is up, the mike will be turned off as well. Force them to be concise and to the point. This is your opinion from the Standpoint of a decided voter. You don’t know how undecided voters react to the debates until after the election. Millions of people said the same about about the debates back in 2016....and he gained plenty of those “undecided” voters way back then.
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Also for those that think Trump needs to tone it down- If he tones it down there will be no one there to call Biden out on his blatant wish-washing of his policies.
No one can tell me where Biden stands on key policies and Biden won’t openly say it on a debate stage. “Undecided” voters will notice that too if they do their studying. If he’s allowed to skate around questions without answers and have no immediate repercussions from it, it will just continue the brainwashing of American people. He needs to be called out immediately or it will get discarded in the very next news cycle.
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Also for those that think Trump needs to tone it down- If he tones it down there will be no one there to call Biden out on his blatant wish-washing of his policies.
No one can tell me where Biden stands on key policies and Biden won’t openly say it on a debate stage. “Undecided” voters will notice that too if they do their studying. If he’s allowed to skate around questions without answers and have no immediate repercussions from it, it will just continue the brainwashing of American people. He needs to be called out immediately or it will get discarded in the very next news cycle. I wouldn’t say tone it down but he needs to chill and be more laid back. He don’t need to earn our votes but needs to pull some over from the other side and that’s fact. They don’t like him and he feeds it
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But, you are not an undecided voter. This. Trump voters will vote for Trump. Biden voters will vote for Biden. The object of the debate is to convince the undecided voters to vote for you. Trump failed on that part. The candidate that draws the most independent voters will win this election. The next debate, they should be placed in a sound proof room. Their mike will be turned off when it is not their turn to speak. When their allotted time to talk is up, the mike will be turned off as well. Force them to be concise and to the point. This is your opinion from the Standpoint of a decided voter. You don’t know how undecided voters react to the debates until after the election. Millions of people said the same about about the debates back in 2016....and he gained plenty of those “undecided” voters way back then. You 💯 % know what they think and how they react because it’s all over social media.
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At the end of the day everything that would have helped Trump was lost in the fray.
2nd Amendment, what is your plan Joe? Where is Beto?
Court Packing, Who would be Biden's Supreme Court Nominees, etc. No definitive answers were given around that subject.
Green New Deal. What parts are you for/against Joe. You are both for and against it. Which parts?
China and trade.
Iran and sanctions.
Eliminating Trump's Tax Cuts.
Biden - did you or did you not know what Trump was getting investigated and the whole thing was a setup? Why did you unmask Flynn?, etc. You were briefed on it how could you not know anything?
We can go on but the message that didn't get across to undecided voters was that Joe Biden is for socialist policies, he is anti Gun, he is pro-China/corruption/Wall Street gutting of America, he wants to apologize to Iran, he wants to raise your taxes and he is a total dam CROOK and corrupt as hail.
He won't be asked any of those questions in the following debates. The chance to really get to the bottom of where Joe Biden stands on these issues was LOST by Chirs Wallace asking Trump about his Tax Returns, White Supremacy, Racism, etc. What Chris should have done is when Trump kept pressing the issue on the $3 million loan Hunter got from the Russians.... is address it. Just stop and ask Biden point blank did Hunter take money from Moscow and if he said NO, then call him out for lying. Because he is lying and still nobody is talking about it.
Chris didn't want to do any of that because those facts didn't fit Chris's narrative. IMO that's really what led to the arguing. Trump would say something and maybe it was bait.... however Chris side stepped it all.
Real Shame IMO. A LOT of opportunity was lost. The next 2 debates none of those questions are going to get asked.
Last night was a real injustice to the American people.
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Also for those that think Trump needs to tone it down- If he tones it down there will be no one there to call Biden out on his blatant wish-washing of his policies.
No one can tell me where Biden stands on key policies and Biden won’t openly say it on a debate stage. “Undecided” voters will notice that too if they do their studying. If he’s allowed to skate around questions without answers and have no immediate repercussions from it, it will just continue the brainwashing of American people. HTe needs to be called out immediately or it will get discarded in the very next news cycle. The problem I see with what you are saying is this: Trump needs to let Biden answer before he responds. And if the moderator doesn't allow him to respond. Then use his next question to respond to that topic. In 2016, Trump allowed Hillary to answer and that worked for him. I'm not saying don't say Wrong in the middle of their answer. Or interrupt and say, that isn't true. But, Don't talk over Biden so that it appears he will not let the man speak. I also agree with who ever said if Trump would let Biden talk about guns, abortion, or any other topic. Biden will look like the fool he is, then Trump can pounce on him.
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At the end of the day everything that would have helped Trump was lost in the fray.
2nd Amendment, what is your plan Joe? Where is Beto?
Court Packing, Who would be Biden's Supreme Court Nominees, etc. No definitive answers were given around that subject.
Green New Deal. What parts are you for/against Joe. You are both for and against it. Which parts?
China and trade.
Iran and sanctions.
Eliminating Trump's Tax Cuts.
Biden - did you or did you not know what Trump was getting investigated and the whole thing was a setup? Why did you unmask Flynn?, etc. You were briefed on it how could you not know anything?
We can go on but the message that didn't get across to undecided voters was that Joe Biden is for socialist policies, he is anti Gun, he is pro-China/corruption/Wall Street gutting of America, he wants to apologize to Iran, he wants to raise your taxes and he is a total dam CROOK and corrupt as hail.
He won't be asked any of those questions in the following debates. The chance to really get to the bottom of where Joe Biden stands on these issues was LOST by Chirs Wallace asking Trump about his Tax Returns, White Supremacy, Racism, etc. What Chris should have done is when Trump kept pressing the issue on the $3 million loan Hunter got from the Russians.... is address it. Just stop and ask Biden point blank did Hunter take money from Moscow and if he said NO, then call him out for lying. Because he is lying and still nobody is talking about it.
Chris didn't want to do any of that because those facts didn't fit Chris's narrative. IMO that's really what led to the arguing. Trump would say something and maybe it was bait.... however Chris side stepped it all.
Real Shame IMO. A LOT of opportunity was lost. The next 2 debates none of those questions are going to get asked.
Last night was a real injustice to the American people.
perfect summary of last night. None of these questions were answered just as planned. They don’t won’t the American people to know the truth. Keep the masses dumbed down. Wallace got exactly what he wanted last night by asking the questions he did
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The Questions were absolute bulldoodoo.
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