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Freak of Nature
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Yes just let them make any rules they want and live with what they decide they will allow you. No reason to fight them even if they have no data to back up their rules  this right here^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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If they extended the season and upped the bag limit I would likely still have so many turkeys I couldn't beat them out off my place unless I sold it to Wal-Mart and they turned it into a parking lot.
But I am not that short sighted.
Those on here complaining are the same bunch that get on every other thread about a rule and whine like a classroom full of 2nd graders. IMO some of you think wildlife management is what comes out of the end of a gun barrel connected to your trigger finger.
I am glad you never will be in charge. Enjoy shooting the 3 birds you are allowed on your limit and suck it up buttercup.
Yes just let them make any rules they want and live with what they decide they will allow you. No reason to fight them even if they have no data to back up their rules It’s a new form of hunter virtue signaling / sign in the yard. They go along with what they are told cause they are good little sheeple and better than you. They also vote for Doug Jones
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Booner
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Yes just let them make any rules they want and live with what they decide they will allow you. No reason to fight them even if they have no data to back up their rules this right here^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I concur!
The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
Job 33:4
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Let your conscious be your guide. They dropped SC limit a few years ago from 5 to 3. It will make your blood pressure rise to think about all the reasons why it is stupid. At the end of the day, it is coming to your state soon. Just do your thing and roll on. No reason to get all jacked up about it. You can't change it. Poor country preacher is about the best I've seen at articulating it and arguing it, but it is still gonna happen. Now granted, it may take a while to happen, but it will.
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Wambaw, how many gobblers y'all got struttin' around now that they've been protected and stockpiled with the reduction?
Should be a sho'nuff shitshow of mature gobblers over there by now.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Wambaw, how many gobblers y'all got struttin' around now that they've been protected and stockpiled with the reduction?
Should be a sho'nuff shitshow of mature gobblers over there by now.
I feel like the quality of the hunting has little to do with the changes. They went from March 15 - May 1 with a limit of 5 to March 22 - May 5 and a limit of 3. Only 1 can be killed from March 22-31. The upstate went from April 1 - May 1 with a limit of 5 to April 1 - May 10 with a limit of 3. Only 1 can be killed from April 1 - 9. Only 1 may be killed a day now, whereas it used to be 2 a day. I think overall there are lower numbers than there were 20 years ago. I don't think numbers would be any different if they had left the season structure alone. The hunting is still pretty good. I know we have alot less habitat and a pile more people hunting now. I personally lost a pile of prime land. At one time, I had a 4500 acre tract I hunted by myself for free. It was rough times I tell ya. I still have multiple tracts and hunt WMA but it was sure enough good times 20 years ago. That 4500 acre tract is now a neighborhood. Development of hunting land into residential areas is a big problem in my area. The public land is still good. They are saying that too many gobblers are killed in the first part of the season and it is disrupting breeding. I understand the concept, but if that is the case, then why were numbers so high in the 90's through 2012 or so when you could legally kill 5 the first 3 days of the season. And people were doing it. I honestly think there is just too many people trying to hunt now.
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10 point
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Winston county has opened April 1st for at least 20 years. It’s possible to go ride for hours around Bankhead and not even see a turkey. There’s another area I hunt that’s completely opposite. It’s almost impossible to not see a turkey while riding around. Season opener has been normal and hunting is allowed in the afternoons. All I can go off of is what I see. You can’t tell me they have all the answers from a 5 year study. They should have been looking at Winston county for the last 20 years to see that a late opener doesn’t explode the population of turkeys. ^THIS!!!!! For deer/turkey regulations, Winston County should be divided at Double Springs...western Winston’s game populations are NOTHING like eastern Winston’s
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4 point
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When the AL limit was 6 there was a helluva lot of turkeys and about 5% or less of the number that call themselves turkey hunters today. Plenty common to have access to many thousands of acres by yourself for the asking. Public hunting on timberlands by permit almost unlimited...too much has changed to even get started.
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Just now seeing this. Wow is all I can say.
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3 bird limit wouldn’t affect me one bit. Heck, I do good to kill one, 😂
Now I need all the time in the world since that is my busy season and tough for me to go
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I’m not sure that anything will ever change in Montgomery. Specifically coming from the political class down there but changing up the CAB could help and it could hurt. It just depends on who was put on it.
If change is desired it should be made perfectly clear that hunters would not support a gubernatorial candidate that didn’t make it a priority. Hunting is a huge industry and there qualified individuals out there to sit on a board.
Personally I think it it should be SIMILAR to this...
2 people from DCNR- (a deer person and bird person)
1 person from timber/leasing industry
1 person from the research side
1 person from the private management/consulting side
1 person from ADAI
1 person from the high fence/breeding industry
1 person from the National Forest system
1 fisheries biologist (private or public)
1 USDA biologist specializing in trapping
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Freak of Nature
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The CAB should be abolished. It was sold to us as a citizen committee, appointed by the Governor , to hold meetings across the state and report to the commissioner as to what they found out. No problem so far.
Then the law passed and lo and behold the CAB could go around the professionals at DCNR and do damn near anything they wanted to with the approval of the commissioner who is another appointed non professional. Personal politics at its worst.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Booner
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The CAB should be abolished. It was sold to us as a citizen committee, appointed by the Governor , to hold meetings across the state and report to the commissioner as to what they found out. No problem so far.
Then the law passed and lo and behold the CAB could go around the professionals at DCNR and do damn near anything they wanted to with the approval of the commissioner who is another appointed non professional. Personal politics at its worst. Fred this is why we now have regulation over conservation.....politicians and not hunters...too many appointed positions
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Freak of Nature
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I've been opposed to the formation of the CAB from before the law passed. It put too much power in the hands of politics driven non professionals. Not good. EVER.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Booner
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The CAB should be abolished. It was sold to us as a citizen committee, appointed by the Governor , to hold meetings across the state and report to the commissioner as to what they found out. No problem so far.
Then the law passed and lo and behold the CAB could go around the professionals at DCNR and do damn near anything they wanted to with the approval of the commissioner who is another appointed non professional. Personal politics at its worst. I have very seldom disagreed with you on anything through the years, and wouldn't disagree with this in an ideal world. But the problem as I see it with this issue is that it is the head "professional" that is pushing these draconian regulations that will destroy turkey hunting as we know it. And the only hope we have of stopping him is to appeal to the appointed citizens who make up the CAB. Maybe it shouldn't be this way, but that's the way I see it.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Freak of Nature
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the problem there is that the CAB will side with Chuckie, already showed their bent with the north Al Feb deer season.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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The CAB is supposed to be the voice of the hunters, not a rubber stamp for Chuckie. Since you can't take the politics out of the CAB it should be abolished. Also, since you can t take the politics out of the CAB it will live forever.
What you do today, you have to sleep with tonight.
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The CAB should be abolished. It was sold to us as a citizen committee, appointed by the Governor , to hold meetings across the state and report to the commissioner as to what they found out. No problem so far.
Then the law passed and lo and behold the CAB could go around the professionals at DCNR and do damn near anything they wanted to with the approval of the commissioner who is another appointed non professional. Personal politics at its worst. Yes, it needs completely restructured but not abolished. There is a way for it to work as it was “sold”. There must be some board in place to advise other than just a top professional regardless who it is. It’s going to take a Governor that takes these matters seriously enough to correct the CAB. I believe this can be done but it will take a huge push from ALL hunters during the next gubernatorial election cycle. I believe with the right people from the industry things could be as it was originally designed.
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The CAB should be abolished. It was sold to us as a citizen committee, appointed by the Governor , to hold meetings across the state and report to the commissioner as to what they found out. No problem so far.
Then the law passed and lo and behold the CAB could go around the professionals at DCNR and do damn near anything they wanted to with the approval of the commissioner who is another appointed non professional. Personal politics at its worst. Yes, it needs completely restructured but not abolished. There is a way for it to work as it was “sold”. There must be some board in place to advise other than just a top professional regardless who it is. It’s going to take a Governor that takes these matters seriously enough to correct the CAB. I believe this can be done but it will take a huge push from ALL hunters during the next gubernatorial election cycle. I believe with the right people from the industry things could be as it was originally designed. Gosh NightHunter, you sound just like me.  I have said for years that a new governor who was really interested in hunting was our only hope, but I don't see anyone like that out there. Maybe one will rise up. I certainly agree with your premise that citizens need input into the process. Troy said: >>> The problem there is that the CAB will side with Chuckie, already showed their bent with the north Al Feb deer season.<<< You are probably right again, but I know for a fact that not every CAB member is in favor of this. This is a not very well educated guess, but I think there is about a third of the board that would agree with me, a third that will blindly follow the Grand Poobah, and a third that could go either way. If you care about the Alabama system of turkey hunting, and want it to continue,then NOW is the time to contact your rep and make your voice heard. Or better yet, contact all of them. Write a respectful letter if you can; send an email at least. As someone posted above, draconian changes are probably inevitable, but we can fight them off as long as we can. Once they are made, they will never be rescinded, so right now is your only chance to have a say that will matter.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Should be open season on these dang corn eaters.. I got six gobblers who frequent one place i keep baited up for deer.
Georgia Football..Acts like Bama but has a trophy case like South Carolina.
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