Aldeer.com Forums Alabama Deer Talk ALTurkey Talk -- Beards and Spurs April only - 3 bird proposal

Was he? Y’all are friends right?

I wasn’t there either, but that’s a bold statement. I would put a little money behind saying he was.

98.% of the members on here I would call friends.

I was there, Chuck was in attendance and spoke about the regulation. Motion was tabled until the next meeting, primarily because the regulation book has already been published for this season. It will come up again at the first 2021 meeting

Said it before and here it is again - any new proposed regulation that treats Jackson County and Clarke County as needing the same season dates is pathetic. When is somebody with half a brain gonna realize that doesn’t fit?

We should be able to be a little more creative with such a diverse state in terms of weather and seasonality. It really proves there’s not much thought process behind these latest changes and any proposed change like this.

So 2021 will be the final Alabama style turkey season. I picked a good time to get old. Eliminating all March hunting will do more damage than the limit reduction. How many landowners will go all in on managing their land for turkeys with such a limited hunting opportunity? It will take some time, but the end result will be a lot fewer turkeys.

That's a great point.

Don't forget, landowners in Alabama are committing welfare fraud. You have the audacity to hunt your own land without paying for the license.
How arrogant!!

LEECHY TEAT-SUCKING LANDOWNER!

I agree with this

So True. In April you're gonna lose a weekend or two to bad weather.
So as someone that works a full-time job mon-fri, would I want to spend all that prep time just to hunt 2, maybe 3 weekends?

That makes zero sense, if I lived in south Alabama and they make this change I’d just have to take my chances on getting caught because they will suffer worse than anybody else with that late of a start date!

Lemme voted against the motion to reduce from 5 to 4 last time this issue came up. What's changed? What new data do they have out there? In fact, last time, the motion had a only 3 or 4 supporters, I think.

One of the problems in Alabama is lack of solid scientific data regarding population and harvest rate. Most of the people who read this board won't use Game Check to report turkeys, but then complain that the government doesn't know how many turkeys are out there. Well, if folks reported their kill, we would have a better idea. Far more people use Snapper Check than Game Check. I don't know why. Almost 50 percent of fishermen/women use Snapper Check. Last time I looked, around 10 percent used Game Check to report turkey harvest. It may be better this year. I don't know.

My point is that if we don't want what we perceive to be arbitrary decisions, then (1) we must get more involved, and (2) we must give the CAB and the good, hard-working folks at DCNR the tools and data they need to make decisions. My experience with people at DCNR is that they want to make good decisions based on science, and they want to give hunters the most opportunities they can while ensuring that we have a solid population. We need to do our part to give them the data they need and then participate in the process.

How do you know what percentage use game check or snapper check?

The biggest problem with game check is Chuck Sykes. Everytime he opens his mouth, he's either condescending or arrogant.
He comes off like, "I'm gonna punish all hunters if y'all don't play my game, my way".
That schit don't fly with country boys

Hunting used to be fun.

I agree with you on most of what you said, but I don't know how you got the 10% number. If it's right, that would put the actual harvest numbers in the 100,000 to 160,000 range, and that would mean that AL sure doesn't have a problem with turkey numbers. I think that the number is more like 30 or 40%, but all anyone can do is guess. We had way better numbers in the days of the hunter survey. It seems like some folks here might have predicted this would happen.

I have reported every turkey I've killed since GC started, and I think most of the posters here do the same. I don't think harvest numbers in AL, or lack thereof, have anything to do with it. It started with a couple of biologists from other states who came up with the theory that gobblers being killed too early in the season was affecting reproduction. They post on FB and have gained a lot of followers. I've seen nothing to convince me that the theory is true, but it doesn't have to be true. It's PC to believe it, and no biologist who works for a state can afford to question it if he values his career.

Not only have they been unable to prove that an early season affects poult production, but they haven't proved that legal hunting of spring gobblers affects poult production period. I'm convinced that it doesn't, with the possible exception of areas with very few turkeys. Those places don't need a season at all, and that was exactly the way the previous state administration handled it. If hunting was hurting poult production, then areas that aren't hunted should have way more poults per hen. That would be easy to prove if it were a real effect of hunting, but find a study that shows this. I don't believe that one exists.

It appears that I'm wrong about that. The most recent report says: "reporting compliance with the mandatory Game Check program is only at 42.5%." This is in the annual turkey report (https://www.outdooralabama.com/site...%20Annual%20Turkey%20Report_FinalWEB.pdf). I was relying off what I remember one of the DCNR telling the board years ago as to compliance. Glad to see compliance is up. Of course, the flip side of that is there are apparently a bunch of turkeys being harvested. Better data is still good.

I was thinking the same thing.

Now, now, don't be mentioning the statistically valid, accepted survey that worked for more than 50 years.

We can't have any thoughts about The Before Times. Only what is The Now Times, with mandatory data checking systems and compliance. You shall submit.