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I didnt see the video and dont know crap about the event but I know enough about all the billy bad a**es on this site to know every one of you would have shot anybody who came up and grabbed one of yalls guns and tried to wrestle it away from you, I dont care if it was the pope. If that happened, thats enough for me. If you grab a mans gun and try to take it from him, it is understood you mean to shoot him with it. That is universal, no matter where you are or what color you are. The black gal gets it.
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Facebook / Youtube will probably take Miss Owen's video off the WWW.
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I never believed the jogging scenario being pushed by the media. I think there had to be a reason for the DA not to immediately charge the shooters. They are guilty of a negligent homicide, but this wasn’t a modern day lynching being pushed by the racial hate mongers. It may be negligent homicide, but the argument could be made that the McMichael's had enough probable cause to make a citizens arrest at which point the fleeing Aubrey attacked, punched dude in the face, grabbed the shotgun and attempted to snatch it away, causing the McMichael's to fear for their lives. You may be very well correct. I just don’t think they will get off due to media and politicians involvement. They will make something stick. I don’t think there was a single race component to this situation. I guy was trespassing, a couple of hot heads took off with guns, and the trespasser try’s to grap the gun. If the guy was white, the same thing would have happened. Simple as that.
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Regarding the video, I saw what she saw. If dude had turned right on that street just ahead of the truck and kept "jogging", he would still be alive. He died because he attacked a guy holding a shotgun, not because he was black.
Coroner said first wound was in his hand, consistent with grabbing the gun and pulling on it.
This one really strikes home for me. I currently have neighbors who are black, and neighbors who are white. I like all of them who mind their own damn business and leave me alone. I know who lives 6-8 houses in either direction of me. If I see a human that I don't know suspiciously leaving a house where I know they don't live, I will be confronting them. likely by blocking the street with my truck. I will also be in possession of a firearm, as I am most every time my pants are on. This regardless of whether it was my house, or John's, or Lynn's, or Kristina's, or Raymond's, or Kenyatta's.
If said intruder charges me, I will defend myself, as would virtually anyone with a single hair on his ass. If he was innocent, why didn't he raise his damn hands and explain, instead of charging a guy who was 10-12 feet away with a shotgun?
More to the point, I have confronted folks who I KNEW didn't belong in my neighborhood, black and white, on a number of occasions. If one of them attacked me, where would I be? Some turned out to be innocent, and understood my line of questioning. Some were not, and had a variety of responses. At this point in my life, the police have arrived at least once, more than one decided he was better served by hauling ass, and some have been informed to stay away.
And, dear reader, where do you fall on this scale? Are you the individual who peeks from the corner of the window, or are you the one who steps out into the open to confront the person who doesn't belong?
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This is sounding more and more like the Trayvon Martin incident . Deja Vu all over again.
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Regarding the video, I saw what she saw. If dude had turned right on that street just ahead of the truck and kept "jogging", he would still be alive. He died because he attacked a guy holding a shotgun, not because he was black.
Coroner said first wound was in his hand, consistent with grabbing the gun and pulling on it.
This one really strikes home for me. I currently have neighbors who are black, and neighbors who are white. I like all of them who mind their own damn business and leave me alone. I know who lives 6-8 houses in either direction of me. If I see a human that I don't know suspiciously leaving a house where I know they don't live, I will be confronting them. likely by blocking the street with my truck. I will also be in possession of a firearm, as I am most every time my pants are on. This regardless of whether it was my house, or John's, or Lynn's, or Kristina's, or Raymond's, or Kenyatta's.
If said intruder charges me, I will defend myself, as would virtually anyone with a single hair on his ass. If he was innocent, why didn't he raise his damn hands and explain, instead of charging a guy who was 10-12 feet away with a shotgun?
More to the point, I have confronted folks who I KNEW didn't belong in my neighborhood, black and white, on a number of occasions. If one of them attacked me, where would I be? Some turned out to be innocent, and understood my line of questioning. Some were not, and had a variety of responses. At this point in my life, the police have arrived at least once, more than one decided he was better served by hauling ass, and some have been informed to stay away.
And, dear reader, where do you fall on this scale? Are you the individual who peeks from the corner of the window, or are you the one who steps out into the open to confront the person who doesn't belong?
No matter how nefarious they look walking down your street, if you actually stop them ( as in don't let them leave) especially if you are armed, pretty sure you are breaking the law. Not saying it's the wrong thing to do, just that it might not be the legal thing to do.
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What would you do if you was in the jogger's situation? Unarmed with a stranger trying to stop you at gun point?
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What would you do if you was in the jogger's situation? Unarmed with a stranger trying to stop you at gun point? I sure wouldn't try to wrestle the shot gun from him. Was he really a jogger?
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What would you do if you was in the jogger's situation? Unarmed with a stranger trying to stop you at gun point? I sure wouldn't try to wrestle the shot gun from him. Was he really a jogger? Looked like he was jogging in the video, idk what else is needed to qualify someone as a jogger
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What would you do if you was in the jogger's situation? Unarmed with a stranger trying to stop you at gun point? You dont run at them and grab their gun, thatll get you shot every time
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Idk, luckily I've never been in that situation but those guys had no business messing with this guy and are murderers period. If you are close enough to someone with a gun that you feel is gonna shoot you, attacking them may be the best chance you have. Maybe the only chance you have
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I got in a situation where I pulled a gun on a neighbor a while back. I had never met him because he had been living somewhere else for a long while. To me he was a stranger. I also thought he was doing something illegal right in front of my house. I was in the wrong because I was mistaken about the situation at hand. If he had charged me and grabbed my gun, I would have shot him. I am not the violent type at all. That was the first time I ever pulled a gun on anybody and my intentions were to detain him untii the law got there. I had my cell phone in the other hand trying to dial 911. I thank God he stopped and put his hands up and explained what he was doing. I sincerely apologised to him and we both lived to see another day.
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Unless they had obvious reasons to believe they needed to prevent imminent physical harm to someone, I don’t believe they had any right to “load up” a truck, brandish firearms, and confront another person at gunpoint. I don’t care what one of the guys “used to do” for a living, he’s no longer a LEO, and once the situation gets away from him, he’s going to bear the consequences of how ever it turns out. He has no duty to physically address the situation while brandishing weapons.
Let’s just say the guy was visually observed fleeing a crime scene, and truly was guilt of theft. He’s running away (not moments away from harming another person). A truck of unidentified people roll up on him, armed, yelling at him. They confront him on foot, brandishing weapons. Only thing I know to think is “these people ain’t cops and they’re fixin to kill me. I better fight for my life”. Thug criminal or not, what was he supposed to do? Robbery is not punishable by death, especially by lay citizens. These people weren’t cops, for all he knew they were going to load him up in that truck and take him somewhere for Bubba justice. My personal opinion: if yer gonna attempt a citizens arrest while armed and waving a gun around, it better damn well be a situation where you are OK however it turns out, due to time-is-of-the-essence emergency life critical circumstances. Cuz you are going to bear the consequences for both YOUR actions and THEIR actions relative to that gun you are waving around.
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What would you do if you was in the jogger's situation? Unarmed with a stranger trying to stop you at gun point? That would be a very phucked up situation to be in. That's why you always carry. Nuff said
There is 2 different high fence. 1 small and one big! Mine was free range in the big pen and was not a breeder buck. Why does it have to be twisted around??
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He didn't start jogging until he saw the neighbor watching him from his front yard. HE WAS NOT OUT FOR A JOG. If you don't think he went into that house to find something to steal then you are a moron. RYes they used poor judgement in confronting him , but they did call the police beforehand and in the video you can see him go after the idiot with the shotgun. I guess you wanted the son to let him take the gun away from him.
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I got in a situation where I pulled a gun on a neighbor a while back. I had never met him because he had been living somewhere else for a long while. To me he was a stranger. I also thought he was doing something illegal right in front of my house. I was in the wrong because I was mistaken about the situation at hand. If he had charged me and grabbed my gun, I would have shot him. I am not the violent type at all. That was the first time I ever pulled a gun on anybody and my intentions were to detain him untii the law got there. I had my cell phone in the other hand trying to dial 911. I thank God he stopped and put his hands up and explained what he was doing. I sincerely apologised to him and we both lived to see another day. If he had charged he would be dead and you would be in prison. So lesson from the ga shucks and from your story is maybe it's not a great idea to use firearms to stop people that aren't actually about to cause you physical harm
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I got in a situation where I pulled a gun on a neighbor a while back. I had never met him because he had been living somewhere else for a long while. To me he was a stranger. I also thought he was doing something illegal right in front of my house. I was in the wrong because I was mistaken about the situation at hand. If he had charged me and grabbed my gun, I would have shot him. I am not the violent type at all. That was the first time I ever pulled a gun on anybody and my intentions were to detain him untii the law got there. I had my cell phone in the other hand trying to dial 911. I thank God he stopped and put his hands up and explained what he was doing. I sincerely apologised to him and we both lived to see another day. If he had charged he would be dead and you would be in prison. So lesson from the ga shucks and from your story is maybe it's not a great idea to use firearms to stop people that aren't actually about to cause you physical harm Yes sir. It could have been a really bad deal. All just a misunderstanding when I was in a bad place in my head. It caused me to rethink some things. And yes I agree, if you pull a gun out it needs to be for a reason you are willing to kill somebody. Serious business.
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I could illustrate the Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome case in, Knoxville, where 5 blacks kidnapped a young white couple. He was raped, had his penis cut off and stuffed in his mouth, shot and burned by the railroad tracks.She was raped by multiple men in every way imaginable, beaten, suffocated and stuffed into a trashcan. The media hardly touched it. Few on here have likely even heard of the case.
According to, The Manhattan Institute, “Blacks, in other words, committed 85 percent of the non-homicide interracial crimes of violence between blacks and whites, even though they are less than 13 percent of the population.” If you listen to the media and leaders in the black community, you would be led to believe it was the other way around. I remember the Christian/Newsome torture murders very well. Seems like ALL those thugs, who were all black, got off on technicalities.
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He didn't start jogging until he saw the neighbor watching him from his front yard. HE WAS NOT OUT FOR A JOG. If you don't think he went into that house to find something to steal then you are a moron. RYes they used poor judgement in confronting him , but they did call the police beforehand and in the video you can see him go after the idiot with the shotgun. I guess you wanted the son to let him take the gun away from him. How and where did you get all this information that no one else has seen or heard of?
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It's on news outllet websites. Look around
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