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Listen to this podcast and the turkey doc will confirm and dispel several things you thought you knew about the eastern wild turkey. Also backs up what many of us already know that Alabama needs to make some changes for the future of the sport whether you like it or not. https://www.themeateater.com/listen/meateater/ep-214-gobbling-your-ass-off
"I'd rather go down the river with seven studs than with a hundred ****heads"
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This has been discussed on here already in pretty great detail.
Scientist and Author, Fly Fishing for Redeye Bass: An Adventure Across Southern Waters and Alabama's Best Fly Fishing
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"I do not hunt turkeys because I want to, I hunt them because I have to." - Tom Kelly
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Also backs up what many of us already know that Alabama needs to make some changes for the future of the sport whether you like it or not. And what is that? Not listening to it. But curious what we already know.
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The change we need to make is getting rid of chuck Sykes, and yes we all know that.
I hate making a good first impression. There’s no way I can keep that shit up.
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My bad I looked and didn’t see it I’ll find it and read responses.
"I'd rather go down the river with seven studs than with a hundred ****heads"
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Founder Delta Force
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Also backs up what many of us already know that Alabama needs to make some changes for the future of the sport whether you like it or not. And what is that? Not listening to it. But curious what we already know. The argument is that we need to push the season back and reduce bag limit. Not saying I'm for that necessarily, because I need to see more data, but that's the discussion.
Scientist and Author, Fly Fishing for Redeye Bass: An Adventure Across Southern Waters and Alabama's Best Fly Fishing
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"I do not hunt turkeys because I want to, I hunt them because I have to." - Tom Kelly
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I noticed some guy asked him this question on Twitter:
>>> How much higher is the poult recruitment rate on unhunted land vs similar land that is hunted? I think that is the number you need to publicize.<<<
And this was his response:
>>>We are just beginning a large-scale study on a nonhunted population, and can hopefully answer that question.<<<
So the guy asked a follow-up question:
>>>I would have thought that had been studied long ago. The SC study had lots of info about their nonhunted area, but I couldn't find any mention of the poult recruitment rate on it. I was surprised by that<<<
And this was the reply:
>>>Yes, we've been doing gobbling work there for several years, but only recently secured enough funding to do the reproductive work.<<<
So let me translate that for you: There is still no evidence that legal Spring hunting of gobblers has any effect on poult production. All we have is a theory that has been repeated enough that it is now regarded as The Truth.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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All we have is a theory that has been repeated enough that it is now regarded as The Truth.
Which is what I figured when I posted what I did. It is beyond comprehension why hunters lay down and take that crap. Believe it. Repeat it. And try to force it on others by saying things like “what we already know”.
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Backing season up a week in South Alabama is total bulldoodoo! There's no biological reason! Chuck made that clear when he made the statement that "Bringing in season on a Saturday when everyone is off makes it fair"! In other words damn the guys that work shift work, damn the guys that eat, sleep, live and breathe turkeys that burn our vacation time to ensure we're off for opening day, we're gonna make season open on Saturday so my buddies that work office jobs Monday through Friday will stop bending my ear!
Sorry Chuck, you lost my support and respect with that statement! It was a bulldoodoo move at playing politics with game and fish!
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I noticed some guy asked him this question on Twitter:
>>> How much higher is the poult recruitment rate on unhunted land vs similar land that is hunted? I think that is the number you need to publicize.<<<
And this was his response:
>>>We are just beginning a large-scale study on a nonhunted population, and can hopefully answer that question.<<<
So the guy asked a follow-up question:
>>>I would have thought that had been studied long ago. The SC study had lots of info about their nonhunted area, but I couldn't find any mention of the poult recruitment rate on it. I was surprised by that<<<
And this was the reply:
>>>Yes, we've been doing gobbling work there for several years, but only recently secured enough funding to do the reproductive work.<<<
So let me translate that for you: There is still no evidence that legal Spring hunting of gobblers has any effect on poult production. All we have is a theory that has been repeated enough that it is now regarded as The Truth.
If all hunting is stopped and no one is allowed to ever enter any property we would have more turkeys. Maybe a brief season from July 4th-July 10th.
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Backing season up a week in South Alabama is total bulldoodoo! There's no biological reason! Chuck made that clear when he made the statement that "Bringing in season on a Saturday when everyone is off makes it fair"! In other words damn the guys that work shift work, damn the guys that eat, sleep, live and breathe turkeys that burn our vacation time to ensure we're off for opening day, we're gonna make season open on Saturday so my buddies that work office jobs Monday through Friday will stop bending my ear!
Sorry Chuck, you lost my support and respect with that statement! It was a bulldoodoo move at playing politics with game and fish! I’ve been on that rant too. Starting a turkey season in Chatom, AL and Scottsboro, AL on the same day is insanity. I drove from Clarke County to the AL/TN border on April 2nd. Shaking my head the whole time. It went from tropical rain forest, full green, to very little spring growth at all.
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Changing the opening day to insure it opens on a Saturday was completely idiotic. How would one go about getting the ball rolling to move it back to the 15th?
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I noticed some guy asked him this question on Twitter:
>>> How much higher is the poult recruitment rate on unhunted land vs similar land that is hunted? I think that is the number you need to publicize.<<<
And this was his response:
>>>We are just beginning a large-scale study on a nonhunted population, and can hopefully answer that question.<<<
So the guy asked a follow-up question:
>>>I would have thought that had been studied long ago. The SC study had lots of info about their nonhunted area, but I couldn't find any mention of the poult recruitment rate on it. I was surprised by that<<<
And this was the reply:
>>>Yes, we've been doing gobbling work there for several years, but only recently secured enough funding to do the reproductive work.<<<
So let me translate that for you: There is still no evidence that legal Spring hunting of gobblers has any effect on poult production. All we have is a theory that has been repeated enough that it is now regarded as The Truth.
If all hunting is stopped and no one is allowed to ever enter any property we would have more turkeys. Maybe a brief season from July 4th-July 10th. Even if all hunting were stopped, they don't have any proof that it would lead to any more turkeys other than the 9000 or so that are legally killed each spring. The state biologists tell us that we have over 500,000 in AL, so that legal harvest number seems pretty insignificant. This map was put out by the Southeastern study group: ![[Linked Image]](https://i.postimg.cc/zvnQ1gJ6/Screenshot-20200304-161548.png) This map was produced by some of the same people who are saying that we need to change the harvest, yet are we to believe that nobody ever compared the recruitment rate in the nonhunted areas vs hunted areas? You gotta admit, that seems unlikely. I think it far more likely that the comparisons have been made, and they found no difference, so they don't mention it.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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I'd like to see a nesting period rainfall /weather map that overlays this same map....... what is hurting Missouri and Arkansas?
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I'm not saying everything the guy said is absolute truth but everything he said about predation is true. I also personally believe the limit should be 3 birds a year.
"I'd rather go down the river with seven studs than with a hundred ****heads"
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So let me translate that for you: There is still no evidence that legal Spring hunting of gobblers has any effect on poult production. All we have is a theory that has been repeated enough that it is now regarded as The Truth.
that'll preach right there
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Have we ever gotten an answer on what percentage of the total turkey harvest each spring is made up of #4 and #5 birds?
Carrying a gun isn't comfortable; but at times it is comforting
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I also personally believe the limit should be 3 birds a year. Why? How did you arrive at 3 birds being an acceptable limit?
The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
Job 33:4
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Have we ever gotten an answer on what percentage of the total turkey harvest each spring is made up of #4 and #5 birds? I posted this a while back but this is what Chuck sent me... ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/QKS9VZC.jpg)
The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
Job 33:4
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Have we ever gotten an answer on what percentage of the total turkey harvest each spring is made up of #4 and #5 birds? I posted this a while back but this is what Chuck sent me... So, is that chart saying that 4th and 5th birds only accounted for 7% of total number of reported harvests?
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