A general statement on here is just shorten the season. No reference as to area or terrain. "Why does it take so long to kill a deer?" "Why can't you kill a deer when the rut isn't in?" Well, come down and hunt pine thickets. Briars that chew you up. Come down and see how many mature deer come out of these thickets in daylight until the rut. We aren't hunting hardwood hills and hollows. Look at conception studies Why does it take so long to kill a deer?- Well, it wouldn't take so long to kill a spike, doe, basket 8. Most of us are looking to put one on the wall. In most cases, does are killed when it's convenient. The biggest problem, that I see, is that one group wants to hunt the rut, but doesn't want another to do it. The first group isn't flexible enough to even consider the other group. Draw a line? That's BS. Some sizable areas will be left out. I brought up a tag system years ago. People went ballistic. I brought up personalized hunting licenses and it was immediately shot down. (which I agreed on.) SO THERE!! I could write a book but don't think it would matter. Rant to be continued by others.