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Welp, there goes your plywood senario.
I like it. all of my hunting has rolling hills. I can put the feeders in draws and see every deer that comes and goes. I don't really want to drag a dear from under a feeder and screw it up with scent anyway. very generally speaking, its a step in the right direction......
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Well..... at least this will put most on an even playing field. If you want to bait... do it. It just won't be illegal to do it anymore. No more competition with the neighbor who is baiting illegally. Now it gives the deer more choices. My corn.... or the neighbors corn. IMO... it will not make killing bucks easier... but it could help you holdem on your property better, but that will depend if cornzilla is your neighbor.....
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This bill and the other one may really just be a warning shot to the DCNR to get this baiting issue properly resolved. The DCNR hates having the legislature meddle in "their" business but the people are saying get this issue resolved or we'll resolve it for you.
Keep in mind that this bill was introduced late in the session. And in most cases, the later a bill is introduced the less chance it has of passing.
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How long would it be before senate votes on this?
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The bill has only had its first reading, now it goes to committee. If it gets past committee then it will have to be voted on a couple of times before moving to the house for a similar process then after that to the governor for signing. Its a long process which is why it is best to introduce a bill as early in the session as possible.
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Skinny, is there anything being introduced about the change in dates for south Bama?
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I can still think of a lot of scenarios that would cause problems. The easy answer is just to allow baiting. Is that right??? I have no idea. I have a friend who has a 1000 acre lease that backs up to a subdivision made up of 5-10 acre lots. Just about every house has a feeder where they "watch" deer and turkey. From one of his fields he can see a couple of feeders. Is he breaking the law???????
I don't see how what someone does on their property could effect his rights.
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One of the first questions that this law will NOT address, adding to the confusion of the average AL hunter. This is the kind of crap we will get if we let the legislature make game laws.
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the ALDCNR is considered part of the executive branch of the government which does not have the right or authority to deal with 9-11-244, which makes hunting over bait illegal. Only the legislature has the right to amend this law to make it legal.
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Ok, it looks like they are gonna put this bill on the fast track. They just proposed an identical sister bill in the legislature, meaning if the bill passes both houses it goes straight for signature by the governor. Its a fast way to pass a bill. This is the link to the house version of the senate bill and they are identical. http://alisondb.legislature.state.al.us/...S=HB419-int.pdf
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Well..... at least this will put most on an even playing field. If you want to bait... do it. It just won't be illegal to do it anymore. No more competition with the neighbor who is baiting illegally. Now it gives the deer more choices. My corn.... or the neighbors corn. IMO... it will not make killing bucks easier... but it could help you holdem on your property better, but that will depend if cornzilla is your neighbor..... Yep, "even playing field" for private property hunters!! Yippie, now we will not have to be bothered to call that 1-800-272-game or interrupt the iphone posting while on stand to send an email to the DNCR about that pesky neighbor that is breaking the law. Yippie!!
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Hmmmmm. I find it interesting this bill says wildlife benefit greatly from feeding, yet we've been lead to believe all these years that feeders spread disease. Which one is it???
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Hmmmmm. I find it interesting this bill says wildlife benefit greatly from feeding, yet we've been lead to believe all these years that feeders spread disease. Which one is it???
If feeders where causing rampant plagues among game animals there wouldn't be an animal left alive in the whole state of Texas. At least not one that eats corn. Besides, as I have said a dozen times when ever this subject comes up, if disease transmission was the real motivating force behind the baiting ban then why isn't it just flat out illegal to feed animals with feeders period? Do feeders only cause the spread of disease if you hunt over them? Cause that's all that's illegal, hunting over them. You can sling 100 metric tons of corn a year on your place if you want. Just can't hunt near it. Seems like a deer would be at the same risk of disease whether it was January with a hunter nearby or July with no human within 10 miles.
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Hmmmmm. I find it interesting this bill says wildlife benefit greatly from feeding, yet we've been lead to believe all these years that feeders spread disease. Which one is it???
If feeders where causing rampant plagues among game animals there wouldn't be an animal left alive in the whole state of Texas. At least not one that eats corn. Besides, as I have said a dozen times when ever this subject comes up, if disease transmission was the real motivating force behind the baiting ban then why isn't it just flat out illegal to feed animals with feeders period? Do feeders only cause the spread of disease if you hunt over them? Cause that's all that's illegal, hunting over them. You can sling 100 metric tons of corn a year on your place if you want. Just can't hunt near it. Seems like a deer would be at the same risk of disease whether it was January with a hunter nearby or July with no human within 10 miles. I agree with you 100%. I'm just saying it now appears they have been making excuses for the past few years everytime this comes up. Seems like the conservation folks always played the disease card. Maybe since Corky Pugh is gone that's the difference, I don't know. Just amazes me how all we've heard is baiting would spread disease, now all of the sudden it is very beneficial to wildlife.
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Hmmmmm. I find it interesting this bill says wildlife benefit greatly from feeding, yet we've been lead to believe all these years that feeders spread disease. Which one is it???
If feeders where causing rampant plagues among game animals there wouldn't be an animal left alive in the whole state of Texas. At least not one that eats corn. Besides, as I have said a dozen times when ever this subject comes up, if disease transmission was the real motivating force behind the baiting ban then why isn't it just flat out illegal to feed animals with feeders period? Do feeders only cause the spread of disease if you hunt over them? Cause that's all that's illegal, hunting over them. You can sling 100 metric tons of corn a year on your place if you want. Just can't hunt near it. Seems like a deer would be at the same risk of disease whether it was January with a hunter nearby or July with no human within 10 miles. if there are no disease to spread feeders won't but if a disease is there you can bet your last dollar it will help spread it .
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far as i know it has always been stated that feeding is beneficial to wildlife .
but it does have a down side .
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Ok, it looks like they are gonna put this bill on the fast track. They just proposed an identical sister bill in the legislature, meaning if the bill passes both houses it goes straight for signature by the governor. Its a fast way to pass a bill. This is the link to the house version of the senate bill and they are identical. http://alisondb.legislature.state.al.us/...S=HB419-int.pdf I think it will pass this session. The DCNR had it's chances to move on this before it got to this point. At least this bill simplifies baiting and how it can be done legally.
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burbank, At least this bill simplifies baiting and how it can be done legally. I don't agree at all. It only adds to the confusion. 1. If you don't buy feeder permits hunt deer the law is still the same as it was before. What is the "affected area" if you don't have a permit hunt deer? [corrected] 2. Can you hunt hogs and coyotes over bait? Same as it was before. etc, etc with confusion added to it. See. I'm even getting these danged ol' bill mixed up already. 
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Does the Senate bill call for permits? Making a law allowing hunting over bait called the "hunter protection act". 
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Why would you need a permit? This law is simple. Feed em, just don't hunt them over it. I would assume since is specifically mentions deer, this does NOT address hogs.
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Does the Senate bill call for permits? Making a law allowing hunting over bait called the "hunter protection act". No it doesn't include permits. My bad. [post above corrected]
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