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So I'm going to preface this whole thing with I don't believe in man made global warming. I do however believe that winters here in Alabama are somewhat warmer than what they were when I was younger. Now as I get older I see and understand how easily someone can be manipulated by having something repeated over and over so I want to ask some of the older Aldeer members (60+) if it seems that way to them as well.

I remember sitting around looking at pictures with my best friend's grandad growing up and he showing me where the Tennessee river had froze over (where the I-65 river bridge is now). There's no way we would have a winter that cold now. My father in law tells me about walking across sloughs at Smith Lake when they first filled it in when he was a kid. So is there really that big of a difference?

I was a kid in the early 80s and can remember snow happening often enough to look forward to snow cream every year. If there is a change going on I still believe its due to some type of climate cycle and not man made. Thanks.

We have to remember that we are just observing a brief moment in history while we are alive. Even by young earth standards, the earth is 6,000 years old and we are observing weather trends, at best, from maybe 150 years of observed recordings.

Explain to me why CO2 is not a greenhouse gas. Also explain how the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has almost doubled within the past 150 years and that change is natural and not “man-made.” Go.

Well that's what I was alluding to when I mentioned that I believe its some type of climate cycle rather than man made if it's real at all. What I'm trying to figure out from my question is this...… is my memory correct that the winters are actually warmer now or is this another case of the media blowing something out of proportion and I've remembered wrong?

Yes I hear that talking point all the time but doesn't one volcanic eruption emit more CO2 than humans have emitted for all time? Also there's more plant life now than there ever has been.... not just trees but overall plant life, meaning that all that CO2 is being consumed from the air.

I have scanned in a lot of my mom’s childhood photos to keep them preserved. Almost every year (50’s and early 60’s) there were pictures in 8-10” of snow. This was in Cullman.

To answer the OP's question; with no comment on "climate change debate".
Yes, my personal observation is the winters are warmer now. Back in the late 70's/early 80's; I hunted with some friends in Marengo county near Pennington. We had a standing agreement; that any time there was a hard freeze where the swamps would ice over we headed to the camp to float a creek that flowed to the Tombigbee and shoot ducks. All the ducks in the area would be in the creek. We did that 2-3 times a year, then. Not sure how many times that would have happened in the last 10 years in SW Alabama. Just my personal, anecdotal observation.

I remember my first white Christmas in the MS Delta around nineteen hundred and seventy seven or seventy eight..now we're in the part of the cycle that we're swatting skeeters on Christmas day!

cyclical weather = constant climate change

Remember that back in the early 1900s the climate was warm enough to support a thriving citrus industry along the northern Gulf coast. It was around 1935 that the climate shifted to cold enough to kill all the orchards. That cooler period lasted a long time and even prompted warnings about a coming ice age from those looking to gain more government control over others. Mother nature calls her own shots and there isn't anything humans can do about it. It's a shame that the usual suspects want to use it for nefarious purposes.

Acid rain was gonna kill us all too

What process did they use 150 years ago to check the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere?

The part that nobody mentions is that it literally makes no difference if "climate change" is real, and if humans are causing it. No one will change anything they do. It amazes me we even argue about it. I don't see anyone skipping their airline flight to New York, or staying at home instead of driving to the beach because they feel so bad about burning fossil fuels.

We had some cold winters after Mt. St. Helens erupted.

Meh, its weather.

We have been measuring CO2 directly from the atmosphere from at least 1958, if not a little before (~ 60 years). To get samples of the atmosphere from long ago, we measure the CO2 concentration of air bubbles trapped in annual layers of ice from Greenland, etc.

We shouldnt have closed that whole on the ozone.

First of all I'd recommend not listening to anything the media says, no matter which side of the isle they endorse. Replace "talking points" with facts. That's the way I see it. Anyways, no, typical volcanic eruptions do not release more CO2 than what we're releasing. If they did, you would see flat CO2 levels, then a jump after an eruption, and then it would level off until the next eruption. Instead, what the measurements show is a fairly steady rise without significant jumps associated with volcanic eruptions.

More plants would cause CO2 levels to drop, but that's not what the measurements show.

Yep. You nailed it. We'll point fingers at each other while coastal cities eventually flood.

I know some whacky liberal people. And some really conservative ones. No one I know has decreased their travel, consumption, or otherwise done anything differently because of global warming. Sure they might put the recycle bin out by the street, but no one is skipping the Caribbean trip because of the massive fuel consumption of the plane. In fact, I don't know hardly anyone that drives a sedan. It's all SUVs and trucks. We're consuming more, not less. So we can argue, but no one really cares, even a little.

To expand on that even more, liberals want people from third world countries to come to the US, but never mention how their improved quality of living will significantly increase their use of resources (plastic, electricity, gas, etc.).