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http://alisondb.legislature.state.al.us/...S=SB346-int.pdf1 SB346
2 136778-3
3 By Senators Whatley, Scofield, Reed and Williams
4 RFD: Agriculture, Conservation, and Forestry
5 First Read: 21-FEB-12
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8 SYNOPSIS: Under existing law, a landowner may lawfully
9 provide supplemental feed for birds and animals on
10 his or her private land. Also, existing law
11 prohibits whitetail deer from being hunted over
12 bait.
13 This bill would allow whitetail deer to be
14 hunted on private land within a certain area in
15 relation to supplemental feeding.
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17 A BILL
18 TO BE ENTITLED
19 AN ACT
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21 Relating to hunting; to amend Section 9-11-244 of
22 the Code of Alabama 1975, to allow whitetail deer to be hunted
23 on private land under certain conditions within an area in
24 relation to supplemental feeding.
25 BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF ALABAMA:
26 Section 1. The Legislature, in enacting this act,
27 finds the following:
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1 (1) The bird and animal population of this state
2 benefit greatly as a result of supplemental feeding
3 particularly during winter months.
4 (2) The current law has caused many landowners to
5 discontinue supplemental feeding during deer season to avoid
6 an inadvertent violation of the law and a resulting citation.
7 (3) The purpose of this act is to clarify the area
8 in which supplemental feeding may take place through the use
9 of a mechanical, gravity, or trough feeder in relation to any
10 hunter on the land.
11 Section 2. This act shall be known as the Hunter
12 Protection Act.
13 Section 3. Section 9-11-244 of the Code of Alabama
14 1975, is amended to read as follows:
15 "9-11-244.
16 "(a) Except as otherwise provided for whitetail deer
17 in subsection (b), no No person at any time shall take, catch,
18 kill, or attempt to take, catch, or kill any bird or animal
19 protected by law or regulation of the State of Alabama by
20 means, aid, or use, directly or indirectly, of any bait such
21 as shelled, shucked, or unshucked corn or of wheat or other
22 grain, salt, or any other feed whatsoever that has been so
23 deposited, placed, distributed, or scattered as to constitute
24 for such birds or animals a lure, attraction, or enticement
25 to, on or over the area where such hunter or hunters are
26 attempting to kill or take them; provided, that such birds or
27 animals may be taken under properly shocked corn and standing
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1 crops of corn, wheat, or other grain or feed and grains
2 scattered solely as a result of normal agricultural harvesting
3 and provided further, migratory birds may be hunted under the
4 most recent provisions established by the U.S. Fish and
5 Wildlife Service or regulations promulgated by the
6 Commissioner of the Department of Conservation and Natural
7 Resources within the limits of the federal regulations.
8 "(b)(1) On private lands, whitetail deer may be
9 hunted more than 100 yards from a supplemental feeder provided
10 the feeder is outside of the line of sight of the hunter. For
11 purposes of this subsection, "outside of the line of sight"
12 means "hidden from view by natural vegetation or naturally
13 occurring terrain features."
14 "(2) This subsection shall not apply on public
15 lands."
16 Section 4. This act shall become effective on the
17 first day of the third month following its passage and
18 approval by the Governor, or its otherwise becoming law.
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as i said in the other post .
all this does is define ,,, AREA !!!!!!
49'er and others been bitching about them doing this ,,,,, for how long ???
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so y'all don't get the wrong idea , i bitched about it too lol
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The new version:
1. Still doesn't allow killing coyotes or hogs over bait or even 101 yds from or out of sight of bait.
2. Still includes the prohibition for using "salt" that has been interpreted vaguely by the DCNR. (White salt, Trophy Rock, etc... ????) Mineral supplements - still prohibited unless you hang them from a feeder I suppose.
3. Nothing about providing authority for the commissioner to permit the use of bait with depredation permits.
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Senator Scofield told me this one was coming when I talked with him about the Democratic sponsored bill. Their main focus on this bill is as Frankie said, to actually define the area where feeding can be done legally during the season.
This one will pass.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Senator Scofield told me this one was coming when I talked with him about the Democratic sponsored bill. Their main focus on this bill is as Frankie said, to actually define the area where feeding can be done legally during the season.
This one will pass.
Not without a lot of opposition! This is a MAJOR change that allows baiting deer with corn and hunting over it. No provisions for coyotes, hogs, quail, turkeys, whatever.
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Senator Scofield told me this one was coming when I talked with him about the Democratic sponsored bill. Their main focus on this bill is as Frankie said, to actually define the area where feeding can be done legally during the season.
This one will pass.
Not without a lot of opposition! This is a MAJOR change that allows baiting deer with corn and hunting over it. No provisions for coyotes, hogs, quail, turkeys, whatever. I voiced my opposition when we talked about it. He left it with, "well, the current regulation as it's written is vague and needs work." It's a Republican controlled Senate. It will pass unless folks get on the phone and voice their opinion. My Senator is a sponsor of the bill, so I figure he's gonna vote Yes. LOL I've already voiced my opinions to directly to him. Call yours, soon!
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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IMO, that helps the bill.
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If by hunting over it you mean 100 yards away...then you are correct. This is MUCH better than the other bill.
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Still ridiculous. Really, what's the point of all the "over 100 yards away" and "out of the line of sight"? It's just going to allow for some "creative" placement. At least with the other bill, it limited the number of feeders that would be placed in the woods with the "within 100 yards of a 1 acre planted plot" clause.
If this one passes, get ready for your club to go through some turmoil.
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So.......If a hunter is 120 yards away and has one of those fish feeders that throws the corn in a straight line, and has it attached to the backside of a 4 foot diameter oak tree, so it's not visible, is this legal?
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If by hunting over it you mean 100 yards away...then you are correct. This is MUCH better than the other bill. I agree it is bette, but if you are going to legalize baiting then just legalize it, not hide behind a 100 yd rule. So.......If a hunter is 120 yards away and has one of those fish feeders that throws the corn in a straight line, and has it attached to the backside of a 4 foot diameter oak tree, so it's not visible, is this legal?
Opinions?? One of the first questions that this law will NOT address, adding to the confusion of the average AL hunter. This is the kind of crap we will get if we let the legislature make game laws.
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I just don't understand what they are after. Do they not want a hunter to sit and watch a feeder, or dump out a pile of corn and sit over it, 30 yards with a bow, or out further with a gun?? What are they really trying to accomplish is my question. It just seems like they are complicating something that doesn't need to be. I guess that's politicians for you. I don't have an ethical problem with hunting over corn. I think it causes problems in a lease, and would be against it in the lease I'm in. If they enforce the limit of three bucks, what difference does it make how they are killed. Dead is dead.
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If they enforce the limit of three bucks Why is EVERY question around Laws, Rules, Regulations, Ethics, Etc.... about BUCKS ONLY?????
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If they enforce the limit of three bucks Why is EVERY question around Laws, Rules, Regulations, Ethics, Etc.... about BUCKS ONLY????? They're all that matter. A Doe just eats food. All them hussies need to be killed! I learned that on Deer TV. LOL
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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If they enforce the limit of three bucks Why is EVERY question around Laws, Rules, Regulations, Ethics, Etc.... about BUCKS ONLY????? They're all that matter. A Doe just eats food. All them hussies need to be killed! I learned that on Deer TV. LOL Hey that is where I learned it also.
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If they enforce the limit of three bucks Why is EVERY question around Laws, Rules, Regulations, Ethics, Etc.... about BUCKS ONLY????? I didn't mean slaughter the does. Maybe there should be a doe limit. I don't know. I know there are not as many deer, does or bucks in areas that I have hunted since the 80's. I don't know if that's a product of less soy beans/farming or doe killing. I think you can kill as many does on a food plot as you can at a feeder, probably more, so I don't really understand your point. I'm just trying to figure out what they are trying to accomplish with this bill??
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But, why is your opinion on BUCKS different?
Are they more susceptible to being killed at a feeder?
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But, why is your opinion on BUCKS different?
Are they more susceptible to being killed at a feeder? I don't understand?? My opinion on bucks? The law says you can kill three. So kill three at a feeder or three from a food plot. What does it matter??
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If by hunting over it you mean 100 yards away...then you are correct. This is MUCH better than the other bill. I agree it is bette, but if you are going to legalize baiting then just legalize it, not hide behind a 100 yd rule. So.......If a hunter is 120 yards away and has one of those fish feeders that throws the corn in a straight line, and has it attached to the backside of a 4 foot diameter oak tree, so it's not visible, is this legal?
Opinions?? One of the first questions that this law will NOT address, adding to the confusion of the average AL hunter. This is the kind of crap we will get if we let the legislature make game laws. but it does answer a question . what is ,,,,AREA. hell its pretty simple . i don't see what problems there could be ?
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