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A spin-cast feeder throwing 2.5 lbs/feeding/twice daily=5 lbs/day.
A 30 gal feeder will easily hold 150 lbs of feed. At 5 lbs/day this will last 30 days (1 month).
75 lbs corn @ 8% protein + 75 lbs pelleted deer ration @ 21% protein = 150 lbs mix @ 15% protein.
Corn = $10.50 per 50 lbs
21% Deer Pellets = $22.00 per 50 lbs
Total cost of mix = $48.50/month
If you elect to only feed for 4 months of Hunting, you are less than $200 per feeder for feed.
Now, granted there is the initial cost of the feeder. The prices vary widely!!! And, the $25 'fee'.....
But, either way.....it is NOT the thousands of dollars being proposed by some!
5 lbs a day, you're not feeding them,you're teasing them.
"Why do you ask"?
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I dont see anything changing at all. The people that already bait are going to continue to bait and the people that dont bait will continue to not bait. Also a little something extra having bait out doesnt help that much i know people that hunt corn piles all year and dont hardly see a deer. All of you that have hunted over corn in alabama before know that corn doesnt equal success ok , i don't know nothing about hunting over corn , might be great .myself , i put out corn before and after season to see whats there and what was left .been doing it for a few years now and myself have never taken a picture of a mature buck durning day light eating . i know some have but i aint. i've never hunted over bait i can't afford the fines . if they make baiting legal i won't , imo the deer will move less . i'll stick with my good green fields and summer plots .
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supplemental feeding should be your backup plan, in case of acorn crop failure, drought, etc. NOT your primary source of high protein food. Primary should be two season planting plots and fertilization of natural browse. David Morris proved this in Ga many years ago at Burnt Pine Plantation.
sitting over a pile of corn ain't deer hunting.....
but I rarely, almost never, sit on a greenfield either.....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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I totally agree with that!!!
But, for people that ARE sitting over greenfields, and most do, it is hypocritical to say that anything is 'changed' by adding supplemental feed to the equation by putting a feeder on the edge of the field!
NOWHERE in this Bill does it say that this is designed to take the place of good stewardship practices. It simply allows the addition of being able to hunt in the AREA that feeding is taking place.
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5 lbs a day, you're not feeding them,you're teasing them.
Would you mind going through the proposed Bill and finding me anything that requires you feed a certain amount?? THAT part is totally up to the person feeding! People are totally blowing this out of proportion!
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5 lbs a day, you're not feeding them,you're teasing them.
Would you mind going through the proposed Bill and finding me anything that requires you feed a certain amount?? THAT part is totally up to the person feeding! People are totally blowing this out of proportion! Hogwild, what do YOU think most people will do? Put out trough feeders with an unlimited supply of food 24 hours a day or use spin cast feeders that are cheaper to operate and assist in patterning deer to come at dusk and dawn? Your scenario of 5 pounds a day isn't law but that's probably exactly what most people will do. All I'm saying is, if your pro-bating go ahead and admit that you want to hunt over bait only b/c you think it will make killing deer easier, period, end of story. A very, very small percentage want it to be legal so that they can continue to supplemental feed 12 months out of the year without risking a ticket. I agree this bill seems to target that small percentage but I just want the majority to admit that baiting (not feeding) is a cheap way to entice deer to your stand and serves no nutritional benefit to the deer herd.
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I think that if you get past emotions, and they are very evident in your tone, that you will see that all the little idiosyncrasies within the Bill is built in to address a common argument against baiting. While they are lame, so are the arguments. As has been stated numerous times, this thing is built to pass by addressing specific concerns that are commonly used against it. BTW, I have NOT said that I like it. I am simply a realist with an analytical mind. I can see WHY it is written the way it is!  Thank you oh enlightened one. I get WHY the language is that way, I just don't agree with. Just because we can analytically understand something does NOT make it the right choice. And for the record, I am neutral on the subject. I'm just sick of laws that defy the common sense smell test.
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5 lbs a day, you're not feeding them,you're teasing them.
Would you mind going through the proposed Bill and finding me anything that requires you feed a certain amount?? THAT part is totally up to the person feeding! People are totally blowing this out of proportion! It's not there. You gonna be feeding coons, turkeys and since your user name is hogwild, I assume pigs, plus other small game. Food fight! Hell,5lbs is not enough to get a baiting ticket now!  I thought people would use it to help grow them and feed them in winter months, not just kill them, silly me! 
"Why do you ask"?
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I know that bill says spincast feeder, but you can't use any feeder that throws feed on the ground with pelleted deer feed. You are just wasting feed, esp it it's wet. It's going to have to be a trough or MUCH better, a container feeder. Which means "free choice" ....whenever they want to eat...which will be at night mostly. A deer will eat 2+ pounds of feed per deer per day, not counting coons, crows, etc. If you have any decent number of deer using your feeder the bill is going to be way more than most expect. 20 deer will eat near a bag a day.......!!!! Of course usage will be higher in Dec-March and again in Aug-Sept, even higher in bast mast years or drought summers...... I think I'm going to buy some feed mill stock to go with that feeder manuf stock....  troy
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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1. yes, fines for illegal baiting should be raised, a lot. If you can afford to hunt you can afford to pay a $250-$500 fine if caught baiting. It's a small gamble for the unethical. Making the fine $5000 would make most baiters reconsider. Are you a dyed-in-the wool bleeding heart liberal or just ignorant of our constitutional form of government? SECTION 15
Excessive fines; cruel or unusual punishment.
That excessive fines shall not be imposed, nor cruel or unusual punishment inflicted.
I expect people like Nancy Pelosi to come up with crap like you come up with, but I declare... right here in Alabama on a forum for hunters? Your idea of the purpose of government sure doesn't fit the conservative mold. You sound more like the nuts who wrote the bill we're talking about.
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supplemental feeding should be your backup plan, in case of acorn crop failure, drought, etc. NOT your primary source of high protein food. Primary should be two season planting plots and fertilization of natural browse. David Morris proved this in Ga many years ago at Burnt Pine Plantation.
sitting over a pile of corn ain't deer hunting.....
but I rarely, almost never, sit on a greenfield either..... Nailed it,Bfred. ^^^^ 
"Why do you ask"?
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You could use a spincast with a mix of corn and soybeans that would meet the 15% part.
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1. yes, fines for illegal baiting should be raised, a lot. If you can afford to hunt you can afford to pay a $250-$500 fine if caught baiting. It's a small gamble for the unethical. Making the fine $5000 would make most baiters reconsider. Are you a dyed-in-the wool bleeding heart liberal or just ignorant of our constitutional form of government? SECTION 15
Excessive fines; cruel or unusual punishment.
That excessive fines shall not be imposed, nor cruel or unusual punishment inflicted.
I expect people like Nancy Pelosi to come up with crap like you come up with, but I declare... right here in Alabama on a forum for hunters? Your idea of the purpose of government sure doesn't fit the conservative mold. You sound more like the nuts who wrote the bill we're talking about. If In your mind I'm a nut or dem. cause I believe a fine should be stiff enough to make the average guy think twice before breaking the law then I think I can live with that. I never did worry too much about your opinion anyway.
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So if a guy baits a deer which may endanger a deer, he should pay a fine of $5000. That is right at 20% of the percapita income in Alabama. If you look at the rural counties where most of the deer hunting takes place, it is no doubt well more than 20% of the per capita income.
I wonder what you think is an appropriate fine for speeding or running a stop sign since that endangers other humans?
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You could use a spincast with a mix of corn and soybeans that would meet the 15% part. If yer spincast is throwing it on the ground yer wasting yer time, the pelleted deer feed won't last, gets soggy, and molds. No eatee.....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Freak of Nature
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Whole soybeans will mold and stink like a landfield if they get wet on the ground. We tried off season feeding with spin cast feeders with corn and soybeans and didn't have a lot of good luck.
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We've never had a whole lot of luck getting deer to eat soybeans. Started them off with corn, ate it all. Started mixing in soybeans with the corn, at the corn, left most of the soybeans. Went to all soybeans...abandoned it. Process was done over the course of several months, to give them plenty of time to adapt. NADA.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
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supplemental feeding should be your backup plan, in case of acorn crop failure, drought, etc. NOT your primary source of high protein food. Primary should be two season planting plots and fertilization of natural browse. David Morris proved this in Ga many years ago at Burnt Pine Plantation Technically supplemental feeding does not replace a failed acorn crop since supp feed mostly is used in the growing season. Agree with primary plan except fertilizing native browse aint going to do much, nor are 2 season foodplots with the percentage of land they make up in most of Alabama. Managing native HABITAT is primary. Thinning, burning, pines... Imagine that this habitat is capable of producing trophy bucks. Lots of people knew it before Dave Morris proved it.   
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Don't worry guys...... What the deer don't eat, the hogs will!!! I would be willing to bet that EVERY one of the people that are now posting AGAINST this Bill will be among the FIRST to put out feed/feeders AND hunt over them if it passes!!!! Of all the things I may be.......a hypocrite is not one of them!
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supplemental feeding should be your backup plan, in case of acorn crop failure, drought, etc. NOT your primary source of high protein food. Primary should be two season planting plots and fertilization of natural browse. David Morris proved this in Ga many years ago at Burnt Pine Plantation Technically supplemental feeding does not replace a failed acorn crop since supp feed mostly is used in the growing season. Agree with primary plan except fertilizing native browse aint going to do much, nor are 2 season foodplots with the percentage of land they make up in most of Alabama. Managing native HABITAT is primary. Thinning, burning, pines... Imagine that this habitat is capable of producing trophy bucks. Lots of people knew it before Dave Morris proved it. TRUE!!! And anything else artificially manipulated is BAIT!
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