Pen deer don't interest me at all. Had a guy at the camp this season bragging about a 140ish 10 pt he killed in Texas. O asked if it was free range. He said " well it's a high fence operation but it's like 10k acres". I just change the subject and the guy got all butt hurt because we didn't want to hear about his big deer. To each their own.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.