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This thread just reinforces my belief of generational stereotypes
WW2 - Bravest but horrible political leaders (see the 60s)
Boomers - the absolute most narcissistic generation on the planet but they worked pretty hard
Gen Xers - cynical and terrible money managers; strong leaders
Millenials - caring generation but completely devoid of common sense and lazy, the most responsible with money of all generations
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This thread just reinforces my belief of generational stereotypes
WW2 - Bravest but horrible political leaders (see the 60s)
Boomers - the absolute most narcissistic generation on the planet but they worked pretty hard
Gen Xers - cynical and terrible money managers; strong leaders
Millenials - caring generation but completely devoid of common sense and lazy, the most responsible with money of all generations I think you meant irresponsible
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Hell, I just bought life insurance.
My luck, I’d have a big retirement planned out, and get hit by a bus. Then, all my loved ones would be like “so sad, he had all this money but never spent it. What a shame.” Is that what life is about? Naw. That’s just a facet of retirement planning. Lol
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This thread just reinforces my belief of generational stereotypes
WW2 - Bravest but horrible political leaders (see the 60s)
Boomers - the absolute most narcissistic generation on the planet but they worked pretty hard
Gen Xers - cynical and terrible money managers; strong leaders
Millenials - caring generation but completely devoid of common sense and lazy, the most responsible with money of all generations I think you meant irresponsible No actually the vast majority of millenials I’ve met through work and such are very frugal and overall fiscally responsible.
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I know a lot of people I work with that have really good incomes that aren’t putting anything in their retirement. They have $200k in student loans, $400-600k in houses, $100k in car payments, take frequent expensive vacations, buy tons of toys like atvs/sxs, boats, jet skis, etc... I’m getting to the point where I’ve been hammering away at my retirement and I don’t really care about it anymore. I’d rather have fun playing now while I’m young enough and healthy enough to enjoy doing the things I really want to do. You only live once and never guaranteed tomorrow. Save now, die tomorrow and never reap the benefits of anything you saved. Tough choice and everyone must make it their own. True. My parents live a very comfortable life and have been fortunate enough to save a lot of money, but they're not saving it for them, they're saving it to give to me. I think a lot of parents don't think about saving for their children's future, whether it be money or papa's favorite gun...
Do not regret growing older, it's a privilege denied to many!
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Best investment I ever made was a safe deposit box.
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In this thread is a bunch of folks bragging about themselves. Good for you and your future, I'll say. Many ways to 'invest' in one's future. The stock market is the least of them.
Been here long enough to go from "bring 'da pain" to " bring 'da pain meds.
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In this thread is a bunch of folks bragging about themselves. Good for you and your future, I'll say. Many ways to 'invest' in one's future. The stock market is the least of them. You all in on the Bitcoin and 420 friendly medicine?
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Nope. Maybe I should be. 420 shows more potential than anything here.
Been here long enough to go from "bring 'da pain" to " bring 'da pain meds.
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Lots of my farmers gearing up to grow this hemp. The farm bill got it going. Gonna be interesting
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Disagree, I started immediately. If you never see that income and always budget without it it’s possible. Believe me it sucked and my wife and I had months of sitting at home and cooking dinner instead of eating out but it’s worth it.
Hold on, I never said our 25 yo in a low paying job couldn't save some , he ain't gonna be living out on his own and maxing out. If you had a low paying job, lived on your own and maxed out your 401 and roth , did it all on your own . Car payment , rent/house payment, taxes, monthly bills , on and on, we'd all like to hear how you pulled that off.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Off topic but I looked at my quarterly report and saw that I lost over $9,000 last quarter in mine. It’s hard for me to get excited to keep upping my contributions when that shucks happens. That's actually the time that you should be doubling down and contributing even more money. It's called dollar cost averaging. The only time that you should be concerned about the value dropping is as you near actual retirement where you stop putting new money in. Until then... When the stock market is low, you are buying stuff cheap, and when the stock market is high you are making good money. That's basically what "dollar cost averaging" is. I lost a ton of money in January, but it's coming back pretty quick.
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Could also be that there are other (and potentially better) investment options. Oh... Please share... Bet he is gonna say real estate I already have 3 properties. But I am coming up on a windfall and I am trying to decide if I want to invest it in the market or real estate. The problem with real estate is that it is not a buyer's market right now.
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Could also be that there are other (and potentially better) investment options. Oh... Please share... Bet he is gonna say real estate yes real estate. I stretched myself at the bottom of the housing bubble bust and bought another house...Yes, in Las Vegas. Granted I was stationed at Nellis doing a joint Navy job but we got aggressive and had the down payment for a foreclosure (Vegas was SO FULL of them at the time). we bought a house that was built in 2007 (and sold then for $284k) and we paid $102k...today that house is being rented for $1350 / month and my mortgage is roughly $550. I could drop that house tomorrow for $240k. I should have bought 3 of them and stopped putting money in my 401k. my 401k has barely made anything over the last 10 years. just my 2 cents. That's a great story. We bought our beach property and our mountain property back when land prices were low. Unfortunately for your suggested strategy, this ain't 2007 anymore.
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Could also be that there are other (and potentially better) investment options. Oh... Please share... Bet he is gonna say real estate Oh no I wasn’t saying that there actually are any. I was saying that could be a reason for low 401k numbers. I will say that my financial advisor has us maxing out our Roth IRA’s before putting any more into a 401k. Hell... "Maxing out" your Roth IRA is only $5500 a year! $5500 a year ain't going to get you through retirement. Sure Roth IRA's are not taxed when you pull the money out, but you're putting in way less money to start with so you have less money earning less interest over the life of the account. I'll put money in my Roth after I max out my 401k. Which for me is going to be $25,000 per year.
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Hell... "Maxing out" your Roth IRA is only $5500 a year! $5500 a year ain't going to get you through retirement. Sure Roth IRA's are not taxed when you pull the money out, but you're putting in way less money to start with so you have less money earning less interest over the life of the account. I'll put money in my Roth after I max out my 401k. Which for me is going to be $25,000 per year.[/quote]
Do you have access to an HSA? Again, that's not that much money but is another tax-advantaged account.
A pretty standard SOP looks usually something like this which I'm sure certain you do.
0. Establish an emergency fund to your satisfaction 1. Contribute to your 401k up to any company match 2. Pay off any debts with interest rates ~5% or more above the current 10-year Treasury note yield. 3. Max Health Savings Account (HSA) if eligible. 4. Max Traditional IRA or Roth (or backdoor Roth) based on income level 5. Max 401k (if - 401k fees are lower than available in an IRA, or - you need the 401k deduction to be eligible for (and desire) a tIRA deduction, or - your earn too much for an IRA deduction and prefer traditional to Roth, then swap #4 and #5) 6. Fund a mega backdoor Roth if applicable. 7. Pay off any debts with interest rates ~3% or more above the current 10-year Treasury note yield. 8. Invest in a taxable account and/or fund a 529 with any extra.
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I know a lot of people I work with that have really good incomes that aren’t putting anything in their retirement. They have $200k in student loans, $400-600k in houses, $100k in car payments, take frequent expensive vacations, buy tons of toys like atvs/sxs, boats, jet skis, etc... I’m getting to the point where I’ve been hammering away at my retirement and I don’t really care about it anymore. I’d rather have fun playing now while I’m young enough and healthy enough to enjoy doing the things I really want to do. I believe most Americans live this way. Their income dictates how much they can blow. Time is valuable to me, I’m saving now to afford as much time as I can buy. We both sock a lot away in our retirement, but at the same time we also have lots of fun adventures. We do live frugally compared to most people with our incomes, but we still have lots of fun.
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True wealth is not owning anyone anything Yep. This is why we are building our cabin ourselves with no mortgage. You don't need a lot of money when you don't owe anyone anything.
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Hell, I just bought life insurance.
My luck, I’d have a big retirement planned out, and get hit by a bus. Then, all my loved ones would be like “so sad, he had all this money but never spent it. What a shame.” You have about as much chance of dying before you could enjoy your retirement as NorthSouthWestern Louisiana State has at beating Alabama in football. Sure it cold happen, but the odds are that you will live to see retirement, so why bet against it. The odds makers would say the smart money would be to bet on your retirement. My Father never did and he's still working everyday at 85 years old so he can pay his bills. That won't be me.
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I say good for you Irishguy. I teach so mine is called a 403B I max it our every at 18.500 and have for years plus max our my Roth every year.
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