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The question has also been asked, What if there is 75-80% reporting and the 76K number is very real. Then what?

So how can we ever trust this system for data to make decisions? What makes this system better than the old system, especially since the old type numbers are still being used to get the ,percentage? The old system had opportunity for bad decisions. GC has the same opportunities. Have we improved?

I would say with GC everyone that kills a deer or turkey has the opportunity to report it, and now the responsibility if you believe in doing what has been instructed to you to do. With the Survey, if I killed my 3 bucks and XXXXX # number of doe, if I did not receive a survey I was not asked nor did I have any way of reporting it even if I wanted to. Well, I guess I could have called Montgomery and asked for a survey to be sent to me, so I guess I can't so no way to report it. But regardless, with GC every hunter in Alabama has the ability to report it. So just in that alone it's better than the survey. And for those saying it's too hard, blah, blah, blah. If you (that meaning in general) are reading this post you can access GC and record it. It's either they are too lazy or simply want to break the rules.

What was wrong with the way we used to do it?? There was actually a point in time when our biggest issue was that we thought some areas were getting WAY too overpopulated….. Did we really need to reinvent the wheel on this one?? Why can’t we go back to 80’s style management where does were limited and nobody has to report anything. Wasn’t that working pretty well for the most part?

No, you didn't misread, that's what I said. But understand I'm illustrating a point to show how the human mind works. My point wasn't to truly profess that I'm PERSONALLY a lawless thief, it was to illustrate that by and large that's gonna be the mentality. We have all agreed on here forever that the majority of all kills aren't reported, some of us even say it's probably less than 10%.

I like how you think. Even if you are an AU fan

To hell with all this I'm going hunting.

CNC ,,,, you're wrong we were never over populated ,,,,, we were unbalanced or as they pushed it . i.v been hunting since 74 and i have yet to see a starving deer . i've found dead ones and killed one sick one but never a starving one .

lot of the stuff they fed us about what was best for the deer back then imo was BS .

Did you ever see the deer at Oak Mtn State Park? Those were starving. 100lb 5 year old buck was killed at one of the hunts I did 7-8 years ago.

HoJo, you know those OMSP deer are not indicative of the average deer in the state. That's a special case and apples to oranges, an invalid comparison.

Let's take average bucks and does from Jackson or Marion or Talladega or Hale or Escambia counties and see if they're starving. They're not.

did they allow hunting there at that time ????

if i remember right that was one big pen with no hunting untill the deer got over populated. i know at one time they were going to bring sharp shooters in to thin them out . in the end they decided to let hunters come in on a draw system . if i remember right .

I think a low % of minds work like that but not the majority. People for the most part are honest and want to do the right thing, My boys were taught right from wrong just as my dad taught me and his dad taught him. Not complying with GC just because you don't like the head of the department is not a reason. Not complying with GC just because you don't think it helps at all, is not a reason. Not complying to GC just because you think the DCNR is trying to pinpoint your location to write you a ticket is- I don't know what. Not complying to GC because you don't have a smart phone is not a reason. Complying to a law or rule that is constructed by a department , any department to help their view of helping the state should be expected, in my opinion. I do 100% agree that if you do not agree with the items I listed you have the responsibility to address the people in charge. But do it in a respectable manner. You catch more flys with honey.

I wish for the days that we could go back to the days of kill whatever whenever you want. The Majority of the people will kill what they need or to help others. But there is that 20% that will kill just for the sake of killing. That's why we have laws and bag limits now.

How were they different, other than not allowed to be hunted? They were so over populated that the underbrush was gone from 6' down. They ate everything that was green. What pen do you speak of. it 10,000 acres. They did bring in night hunters and killed them by the thousands. You still cannot plant flowers in houses surrounding the park.

There was no hunting allowed at all until the special hunts, and the sharpshooters, so it's not an equal comparison to the rest of the state.

There was no pen - a fence - but those deer in OMSP weren't molested, harassed, bothered or hunted in any way. It was like a big f'king zoo. The deer knew they'd never be bothered in any way. They indeed created a hellacious browse line 6 feet high. You could see a brazillion yards almost anywhere. The first hunt, I think the first night, a guy brought in a 4-year-old doe that weighed something like 80 pounds.

That's still not indicative of the rest of the state nor is it an equal comparison to what Frankie stated about not seeing deer starving during his 43 years of hunting. I've hunted since about 1977 or so and never have seen a starving whitetail in a regular, non-park/OMSP setting.

That's how they're different. It's an invalid comparison.

Game Check, can and should work but change is hard, very hard for some. As with anything, people will gripe and bitch about this that and the other just to be bitching about this that and the other. If filling out a harvest record on your phone or a pc of paper takes the "Fun" out of it, then you probably need to re evaluate your hobby.

lol , that big a place the ones in the middle might as well been in a pen . i remember that park from reading about it years ago .

at that time there was a few places in that shaped that were being talked about in different states, hunting was not allowed at any of them .

well , goes back to my simple question . how does counting dead deer tell you how many is left when you don't know how many was there to start with . they dumped a lot of money into GC , imo it was a waste .

i never complained about doing it . i complained about it being useless . imo they aint never gonna get ahead of the curve using GC to manage deer . lol

The only difference was they were not hunted. Showing that if you didn't control the herd deer would starve.