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Managing people isn't as easy as managing deer.
This is the biggest problem within the entire DCNR, and has been for at least 30 years. They continue trying to manage people and politics, instead of managing the resources. I agree and disagree. There are level(s) within the Dept that try to manage people and politics. There are some still trying to manage the resource. Sykes has made a huge mistake he can never recover from. His mouth. He had a resource, the GWs, that he could have used as his mouth on pushing anything. For the most part, NOT ALL, but mostly the GWs deal with THE people well. They stop by camps and talk. They interact over morning coffee at the country store. They know the hardcore outlaws that there is no need to waste your breath on. They know the respected individuals that can help you sale the product. At least the old timers where that way. But even with GWs, sometimes the lure of a pack of broadheads at Bass Pro Shop is too great so this wouldn't be across the board. The HIP thing, like for dove, is a strong thought. The worse thing about it I can see is about a 6 month delay in data. I'm guessing that's not anything major. The best thing is you can report all kills at once in a controlled enviroment.
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Freak of Nature
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Managing people isn't as easy as managing deer.
This is the biggest problem within the entire DCNR, and has been for at least 30 years. They continue trying to manage people and politics, instead of managing the resources. This is an ignorant statement. Managing people IS the biggest obstacle in wildlife management. You cannot manage the resource properly if the hunters do not get with the program.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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Managing people isn't as easy as managing deer.
This is the biggest problem within the entire DCNR, and has been for at least 30 years. They continue trying to manage people and politics, instead of managing the resources. This is an ignorant statement. Managing people IS the biggest obstacle in wildlife management. You cannot manage the resource properly if the hunters do not get with the program. I took him to mean people pushing agendas for a few that is not necessarily in the best interest of the group or the wildlife. More of, "I'll use my money and influence to get you into this position of you will do this when you get there." Same % $#- at every level of politics forever.
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Managing people isn't as easy as managing deer.
This is the biggest problem within the entire DCNR, and has been for at least 30 years. They continue trying to manage people and politics, instead of managing the resources. This is an ignorant statement. Managing people IS the biggest obstacle in wildlife management. You cannot manage the resource properly if the hunters do not get with the program. I took him to mean people pushing agendas for a few that is not necessarily in the best interest of the group or the wildlife. More of, "I'll use my money and influence to get you into this position of you will do this when you get there." Same % $#- at every level of politics forever. Thank you. Exactly.
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Sounds like he shoulda spent a little more time developing this program before it was implemented. Boo Hoo He's blaming the hunters for his own shortcomings.
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Sounds like he shoulda spent a little more time developing this program before it was implemented. Boo Hoo He's blaming the hunters for his own shortcomings. Truth. Regardless of the fact that he is in an unwinnable position he created this cluster.
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He should have said how the dead deer numbers would help manage the live deer numbers (that we have no idea what that number is). They did their on tour speeches in south Bama about a month after their mind had been made up.
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Whoever was ridiculous enough to.compare the seat belt law is clueless. Seatbelt law is NEEDED because some idiot doesnt belt his children in and they die in wreck. My paramedic nephew has pronouced 3 children in last 3 months because their idiotic parents didnt put seat belts on them. Crap one parent lived because they wearing their seatbelt. I'm the ridiculous one. The seatbelt law is in affect, correct? To clarify, I was on a state committee that lobbied to get the mandatory seat belt law passed and it had nothing to do with the idea of saving you from yourself. It was passed to keep the rest of us from having to pay for your long term medical care because you wouldn't wear a seat belt and are stuck in a wheel chair for the rest of your life. I can't recall the $$$ amounts but it is staggering. If it were feasible to pass a law that says if you don't wear your seatbelt, the injuries are on you and the insurance companies and state are not liable for a penny of your medical care, we would have lobbied for that, but alas, that was never going to be an option. Also, I will be honest and admit that it was tied to receiving federal grant money and the state would have lost a ton of cash if it wasn't passed.
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A survey with various options to assess hunters willingness would have helped. But...what if it said 75% are against it? Then if he pushed it anyway he couldn't blame anyone.
Another thought is that a lot of weekend warriors are probably leaving their work and their connectivity behind for the week in an effort to relax. You know get up before daylight, enjoy watching Gods creation wake up, come in for lunch and fellowship with their buddies, back to nature for the afternoon and then spending time around a campfire or grill with a beer in hand. No phone, no computer. Completely disconnected.
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No. But Chris wasn’t protecting or building his own kingdom either. What Snapper check did was provide acurate numbers based on natural bottom and man made structures which Alabama has more of than any other gulf state. The feds would only reconize natural bottom and base seasons and catch limits on their own data.
Blankenship is going to make a great commissioner. And I’m positive he’ll work to get GC straighten out to benefit ALL Alabama hunters. Chris is destined for D.C. He's great at creating legislation that he has zero intention of applying to himself. He was seen, multiple times, just last year returning to dock with undersized and over limit snapper... and then had balls enough to not allow his catch to be documented by the survey staff. Ok
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A survey with various options to assess hunters willingness would have helped. Seems like some kind of survey was done, with a percentage "for" and a percentage "against" and a percentage of "neutral." And the "neutral" was counted with the "for" group with the explanation that if you don't have an opinion then you'd be OK with it.
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the Feds threatened to cut off funds if the states didn't pass seat belt laws.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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the Feds threatened to cut off funds if the states didn't pass seat belt laws. MmmHmmm. And the sanctuary cities and states say the feds can't cut their funds for not cooperating with ICE.
"Why do you ask"?
Too many people spend money they don't have , on things they don't need, to impress people they don't know.
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the Feds threatened to cut off funds if the states didn't pass seat belt laws. MmmHmmm. And the sanctuary cities and states say the feds can't cut their funds for not cooperating with ICE. The seat belt law is not the only thing they did this on. The legal drinking age in Alabama was raised from 19 to 21 under a threat to cut off federal money if it wasn't passed.
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I used to wear a seat belt, until they made it law.
So I quit.
I hate making a good first impression. There’s no way I can keep that shit up.
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So I guess now is a bad time for me to tell y'all how many we shoot on depredation permits over crops during the summer?
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257 it is a fact that they use to give 400 depredation tags for a 400 acres in Lowndes and the farmer stop growing soybeans 15 years ago because they couldnt kill enough for a profit. Those same fields are 3 feet tall with no deprefation permits. Thats how much the 2 a day does reduced deer population.
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the Feds threatened to cut off funds if the states didn't pass seat belt laws. MmmHmmm. And the sanctuary cities and states say the feds can't cut their funds for not cooperating with ICE. The seat belt law is not the only thing they did this on. The legal drinking age in Alabama was raised from 19 to 21 under a threat to cut off federal money if it wasn't passed. Yep . Drinking age used to be 19 in Alabama , 18 in TN. till the Feds stuck their nose in.
"Why do you ask"?
Too many people spend money they don't have , on things they don't need, to impress people they don't know.
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Hogwild : Tennessee - 3 a day in Unit L.
You "could" do it. No one does, though. Just like 120 bucks in the buck-a-day days here. You could, but no one ever did. Isn’t the goal in TN’s example to lower the population? That is the intent of most antlerless harvest programs. Here in AL, we are ONLY worried about bucks (both antlered and greenbacked) and the Regulations reflect that. We only require limits on bucks. BUT, we are so well educated on deer management, we can all make our own decisions on how many antlerless deer to take. Yea I see way more deer here in southern middle tn than north AL now. I mean they are every where. But we have a 2 buck a year limit. And a special doe tag you have to buy. Even have to buy another one to shoot does the last 8 or so days of season. Hunting as an in state hunter in TN is much more money than it is for an in state AL hunter. It's actually pretty annoying. Also you'll get a ticket here for going 2mph over the speed limit. The state makes a ton of money off of these things and is able to pay for more game wardens to make us "comply" and let me tell ya if you do absolutely anything that may be wrong here in Lincoln county, our game warden will bust you. Takes his job soooooo seriously. Only game warden in TN to send turkey blood to a forensic office to bust a guy. Gave many of his Sunday school class tickets for not wearing life jackets in a canoe, including his father. I could go on lol
Last edited by Bamabucks14; 04/26/18 10:30 AM.
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Gave many of his Sunday school class tickets for not wearing life jackets in a canoe, including his father.
Tennessee law requires wearing a PFD in a canoe?
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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