Aldeer.com Forums Alabama Deer Talk Serious Deer Talk Forum Am I alone in not supporting the baiting bill?

what about the aflotoxin levels in "deer corn" and its affect on turkeys?

How so?
Using corn piles to kill deer/turkeys is plain lazy and takes little to no skill, IMO, and it's definitely baiting. I'm just never, ever impressed with a deer or turkey shot off corn (and I know several who do it) no matter the size. Food plots are definitely baiting, too, but if you must hunt over bait then do it with something nutritional. Even though I feel food plots are baiting, I don't think it's a bad way of luring deer. I think hunting over corn should be illegal everywhere.

ETA: Actually getting out into the woods and figuring out your deer, their daily patterns and basically stalking them like nature intended is real hunting to me, not going and sitting in the same stand everyday watching a pile of corn...

And what skill or effort does it take to sit in a shooting house over a green patch? Don't hand me the line about green patches being better nutritionally either because that has nothing to do with the skill, ethics or effort required to hunt over one.

And furthermore corn is not the only thing you can load in a feeder. They make some excellent products in pellet form to feed your deer. Hell, Purina makes about 9 different kinds just to name one company and there are many more companies that sell such products. Granted most people will use corn. But then most people who plant green patches are not planting Imperial Whitetail Clover or 225 dollar a bag joint vetch either. Most just plant winter wheat, rye, or oats which provide a little nutrition for about 3 months. Just long enough for them to hunt over it during deer season.

I am an old veteran of these debates. I have been hearing these same tired lines for years. You know, how lazy, unethical and lacking in skill it is to hunt over corn while green patch hunters are strangely exempted from such criticism. But press people to explain why one requires any more skill or effort than the other and you cannot get a single person to provide one valid reason. How long it took you to plant the green patch is irrelevant to the skill required to hunt over it. That your green patch might have 10% more riboflavin than corn has no bearing on the skill required to sit in a shooting house and stare at it with a gun in your lap.

Well if you don’t want to be lazy and unethical get yourself some flint rock, beat out an arra head or three and find some straight sticks and whittle out 575 dozen arras. Then find you a hickory tree and whittle it down to a bow, then make you a string and go huntin.

Man I've learned a lot on Aldeer but this is a first. Never knew Mother Nature wanted us to only stalk and kill deer.

I wonder what other rules would of Mother Nature I break. I wonder why Nature intended to let us use fire arms or man made camouflage

I'd rather just go old school indian and gather up some buddies and do a man drive forcing a big herd off a high cliff or bluff. You get more way meat for the effort that way!

I think you should be able to run deer dogs anywhere you want to. Line the roads and power line up and let them dance, no permit needed, just run'em..

Nature would have had half of these dudes knocking you out and dragging you back to the cave. I wouldn’t even go there....

The point is the hypocrisy. You call baiting with plots Ok and corn not. The point is that they are both baiting. Period.

I only hunt them as they go about their daily business ‘naturally’!

I will admit that I once found the schedule for the local deer VFW meetings and used it to catch some old warriors on their way to the meetings.
And, the Deer Yoga Classes are great to intercept for doe control!!!

LOL

Seriously folks, forget Disney and that other BS.
They eat and they breed.
SURVIVAL is their utmost goal!
Be where they do those two things and you are way ahead of the game!

Burbank took the words out of my mouth. Basically in your terminology I can go pour out a bag of protein feed and it's now ok.

It’s that simple. Hogwild put it perfectly. It doesn’t take a PhD to kill a deer.. what it does take is free time to get after them. If you can figure out where they eat and where they want to breed you’ve got it half way figured out.. being in the right spot at the right time is the key.. that’s where it gets most of us.because we have to work and pay bills and such.

I'll be the devil's advocate, you say it begins to have connotations of competition, and you detest that. What's wrong with competition? Do you want to give everyone a trophy or just to the ones that earned it? Like I said I'm just playing out a different scenario. In real life everyone that hunts deer, only hunt for food to cover the costs of rifles, stands, bows, leases, gas to get there, licenses etc. agree with having fun. This stupid debate with never work out because "fun" is subjective from person to person.

Keep putting out corn and you want have to worry about deer, you will have plenty hogs to shoot!!!

don't care one way or the other, but I do care if my license cost increase because of it. Surly the price of corn will increase.

I think the only fair way to hunt deer, is to have your friends blind fold you and carry you out into the middle of the woods where there are no corn piles or foodplots, and drop you off. No weapons. You have to make your own, figure the deer out, and harvest them, uhh no wait, KILL them(that's for you Gomer) with no help at all. That's a true hunter!

it will defiantly be the end to deer hunting as we know it. It will drastically change it

No it won't. At least 35-50% of people deer hunting in AL are baiting every single weekend with corn or have feeders out during the season. It has been this way for the last 50 years. I'd venture to say that there are probably just as many people hunting illegally over it as there are obeying the law and not using it. The only thing that will change if it is legalized is that the people currently baiting will kill less deer because people like me, that havent been doing it because it is illegal, will start putting it out on our property and keeping our deer at home. I can kill as many deer as I feel like shooting in any given season, but will not change what I shoot or the number of deer i kill just because of corn. If anything, it will probably save a whole bunch of deer that my neighbors would normally bait off of us and kill. Especially the younger, stupid bucks that aren't old enough and smart enough to know better.

I've heard this argument way too many times. In one comment we have bubbas doing all the baiting and in one it's bubbas can't afford it but the rich can. Listen, I'm not trying to single you out. I'm just tired of the "my rich neighbors are baiting" argument and I'm also tired of the "everbody is baiting" baiting argument (heard from others). It's statistically impossible for everybody to be baiting. I'm not and I know many deer hunters all over the state who aren't and wouldn't if it were legal.

That said, like Jawbone, in principal I'm against it. I think it's lazy and as Outback said a symptom of millennials lust for instant gratification. I don't think killing deer needs to be any easier than it already is.

I also don't understand the contradiction. People argue baiting is fair chase and should be legal because it isn't the magic pill it's cracked up to be and don't send deer flocking to the bait pile. Out of the other side of their mouth they're saying their neighbors are pulling every deer off their property? Which is it?

We can blame the senators or whoever else for this not passing, but to be honest, I think a major factor is that the argument on the pro-baiting side is at best, incredibly flimsy.

Cat again, not trying to single you out. Most of that doesn't apply to you.

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Nature would have had half of these dudes knocking you out and dragging you back to the cave. I wouldn’t even go there....

The point is the hypocrisy. You call baiting with plots Ok and corn not. The point is that they are both baiting. Period.



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Burbank took the words out of my mouth. Basically in your terminology I can go pour out a bag of protein feed and it's now ok.
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The problem with the food plots are the same as baiting is that they really aren't. Dumping a bag of corn out isn't the same as providing the wildlife on your property with an additional component of their natural habitat. You're providing the deer and other wildlife with additional year around food vs dumping out a bag of corn. I get what you're saying and I understand where the basis of your argument stems from...it's just not the same.

If you can give me a legitimate response that contradicts my opinion, I'll definitely listen.

Nature would have had half of these dudes knocking you out and dragging you back to the cave. I wouldn’t even go there....

The point is the hypocrisy. You call baiting with plots Ok and corn not. The point is that they are both baiting. Period.



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Burbank took the words out of my mouth. Basically in your terminology I can go pour out a bag of protein feed and it's now ok.
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The problem with the food plots are the same as baiting is that they really aren't. Dumping a bag of corn out isn't the same as providing the wildlife on your property with an additional component of their natural habitat. You're providing the deer and other wildlife with additional year around food vs dumping out a bag of corn. I get what you're saying and I understand where the basis of your argument stems from...it's just not the same.

If you can give me a legitimate response that contradicts my opinion, I'll definitely listen. [/quote]

There is no need.....you rmind is made up and you are JUST as guilty as the people that you were calling out in your ‘points’.

Sure, a foodplot will provide more food than A bag of corn dumped on the ground.

BUT, there is absolutely no way that it will provide more, or better, food than a quality feeder that is maintained with protein pellets.