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1 corn pile per 300 acres draw a lot more deer than 1 per 75.
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No.....that is a Bill that was introduced in the Senate.
It is still HB21. So what does that mean? If you look at the status, it looks like it has passed everything and waiting on the Senate Vote. Does that mean it sits and dies? Yes. It can/could die on the Senate floor and then that's it, just like in the past. A bill could sit (and die) in Committee, or it could get out of Committee (by vote) and go to the Senate (or House) floor. Then it could sit there and die on the floor without a vote, or get a vote. I can't remember if a bill can/could be referred back to Committee from the H/S floor after it has come out of a committee, though. I think once it gets out of committee to the H or S floor that's where it stays.
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I just emailed my Senator and both sponsors of the bill. I’m really interested to see if I get a response. My Senator is Gerald Allen, he is a real Goof. He couldn’t find his ass with both hands, I doubt he even knows about the bill.
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I emailed my senator as well
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I have no ethical/moral opposition to the corn deal, my concern is that as expensive as hunting already is, it’s going to become even more of an arms race. Majority of club members are going to feel inclined to put an ever increasing amount of corn out to battle their ‘perception’ of the neighbor’s practices. We will all be paranoid about each other and dumping massive lbs of corn out per acreage. Which of course will just even the odds of holding deer since the deer can get it anywhere (like I suppose they can right now). Only difference willl be our pocketbooks lighter. I guess I just don’t look forward to what will enivetably be another line item on the club budget.
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i bet all these anti corn master woodsmen have high doller clubs they hunt in. You think it will be legal to bait on public land? Or, maybe they will be hunting like the anti corn master woodsmen in those high dollar clubs?
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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1 corn pile per 300 acres draw a lot more deer than 1 every 75 feet. FIFY
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Far as I know right now it's illegal to bait on public land
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i bet all these anti corn master woodsmen have high doller clubs they hunt in. You think it will be legal to bait on public land? Or, maybe they will be hunting like the anti corn master woodsmen in those high dollar clubs? doubt it. my point is, of course the people who have an advantage now. Dont wont folks baiting. Are you a public land hunter?
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[quote=CNC]Where is written in stone about what hunting has to be?? ....{CNC]
Good post and I think you are spot on! There is A LOT of hypocrisy between hunters judging how another person hunts. Hunting is supposed to be fun and that is defined differently by everybody. The point being to preserve the hunting tradition with a sense of honor and honor code based on fair chase, and to also promote woodsmenship skills. "Preserve the hunting tradition" Wait Aren't you against dog hunting? No, not against dog hunting.
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[quote=CNC]Where is written in stone about what hunting has to be?? ....{CNC]
Good post and I think you are spot on! There is A LOT of hypocrisy between hunters judging how another person hunts. Hunting is supposed to be fun and that is defined differently by everybody. Actually, it was not a good post and was not "spot on." It was silly nonsense for this reason: it has always for generations until now been etched in stone that hunting had to be based on the principle of FAIR CHASE, hence bating via corn piles (deer) and crop seeds like wheat (birds) were banned. The point being to preserve the hunting tradition with a sense of honor and honor code based on fair chase, and to also promote woodsmenship skills. So I have to give up my compound bow, now? What does using a compound bow have to do with CORN BAITING?
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[quote=CNC]Where is written in stone about what hunting has to be?? ....{CNC]
Good post and I think you are spot on! There is A LOT of hypocrisy between hunters judging how another person hunts. Hunting is supposed to be fun and that is defined differently by everybody. Actually, it was not a good post and was not "spot on." It was silly nonsense for this reason: it has always for generations until now been etched in stone that hunting had to be based on the principle of FAIR CHASE, hence bating via corn piles (deer) and crop seeds like wheat (birds) were banned. The point being to preserve the hunting tradition with a sense of honor and honor code based on fair chase, and to also promote woodsmenship skills. What woodsmanship skills does it take to sit in a shooting house over a green patch? Could you list them alphabetically and I'll take notes. Since you consider food plots to be baiting and since hunting over bait is the most important thing in your life, then you should just plant a food plot so you can hunt over "bait." Problem solved.
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Well, after reading the last couple of pages of this thread, I see that sportsmanship and woodsmanship are truly a thing of the past. SMH. Ultimately, I don't see how this will be good for the future of hunting. Apparently, most folks these days want deer hunting to be like a video game, instant gratification. SMH... Sad but true.
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[quote=CNC]Where is written in stone about what hunting has to be?? ....{CNC]
Good post and I think you are spot on! There is A LOT of hypocrisy between hunters judging how another person hunts. Hunting is supposed to be fun and that is defined differently by everybody. Actually, it was not a good post and was not "spot on." It was silly nonsense for this reason: it has always for generations until now been etched in stone that hunting had to be based on the principle of FAIR CHASE, hence bating via corn piles (deer) and crop seeds like wheat (birds) were banned. The point being to preserve the hunting tradition with a sense of honor and honor code based on fair chase, and to also promote woodsmenship skills. Let me guess, your eyes are brown... No, they are not, but you are incredibly stupid and immature.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
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[quote=CNC]Where is written in stone about what hunting has to be?? ....{CNC]
Good post and I think you are spot on! There is A LOT of hypocrisy between hunters judging how another person hunts. Hunting is supposed to be fun and that is defined differently by everybody. Actually, it was not a good post and was not "spot on." It was silly nonsense for this reason: it has always for generations until now been etched in stone that hunting had to be based on the principle of FAIR CHASE, hence bating via corn piles (deer) and crop seeds like wheat (birds) were banned. The point being to preserve the hunting tradition with a sense of honor and honor code based on fair chase, and to also promote woodsmenship skills. So I have to give up my compound bow, now? What does using a compound bow have to do with CORN BAITING? Groundhawg posted it originally but heres' my take on what i think he was trying to say. Killing one with a crossbow is a whole lot easier than killing one with my compound, and killing one with my compound is a whole lot easier than killing one with a recurve. Killing one with a recurve is a whole lot easier than killing one with a spear. Killing one with a spear is a whole lot easier than stalking up and killing one with a knife. Each and every one of those situations gives you an advantage over the previous example. Same as what you're hunting over. Acorns, Greenfield, Corn. Where do you draw the line???????
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Bait is such a negative word... I like attractant better.
Tink's 69 is an attractant
The can calls, grunts, etc are an attractant
Rattling with antlers is an attractant
Hunting near a scrape during the rut is using the scrape as an attractant
Making mock scrapes is an attractant
Hunting near a dropping oak is hunting near an attractant
A corn or soybean field is an attractant
A lush green food plot is an attractant
The above are all legal,
A pile of corn is an attractant (but is illegal to hunt over unless you are at least 100 yards away and its out of sight)
Hard to rationalize the difference in the last one and the above incomplete list of attractants widely used by hunters, and if you carefully look at the intent, you will realize that the word 'attractant' could easily be replaced by the word 'bait' on all of them.
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[quote=CNC]Where is written in stone about what hunting has to be?? ....{CNC]
Good post and I think you are spot on! There is A LOT of hypocrisy between hunters judging how another person hunts. Hunting is supposed to be fun and that is defined differently by everybody. Actually, it was not a good post and was not "spot on." It was silly nonsense for this reason: it has always for generations until now been etched in stone that hunting had to be based on the principle of FAIR CHASE, hence bating via corn piles (deer) and crop seeds like wheat (birds) were banned. The point being to preserve the hunting tradition with a sense of honor and honor code based on fair chase, and to also promote woodsmenship skills. What woodsmanship skills does it take to sit in a shooting house over a green patch? Could you list them alphabetically and I'll take notes. Since you consider food plots to be baiting and since hunting over bait is the most important thing in your life, then you should just plant a food plot so you can hunt over "bait." Problem solved. Nice deflection. But you still didn't address how hunting out of a shooting house in a green patch requires any woodsmanship skill compared to hunting over a corn feeder. But I know the reason you didn't answer it. Because you can't. And baiting isn't the most important thing in my life. For example I would rank it way back behind not being a flaming hypocrite that can't provide any actual logical reasons to support a ridiculously flawed and inconsistent opinion of what constitutes ethical or skilled hunting.
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Not to interrupt a good argument but Todd, I would suggest that while "bathing" isnt the most important thing in your life, you might want to grab a bar of soap and hit the creek occasionally. Your deer sightings will probably go up regardless of whether you're hunting over corn, greenfields, acorns or even in the "big pen". 
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Hang on, abolt - if he's not bathing then he's more akin to Native Americans and their stick bows, thus more of a "real hunter." Right? 
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Spoke with Cam Ward today by email and he said that he was in support of the bill. I asked when they would vote on it and he said "they were only voting on senate bills right now in the senate but next week will offer a good chance for passage."
Let us know if any of you hear back from your senators, it will be interesting to see what they say about it.
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