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Originally Posted by Mbrock
You have to buy a license because people who enjoyed hunting and fishing many decades ago realized that there was no regulatory authority over the resources they dearly loved, and people were overexploiting the resource to levels that were not sustainable, and completely extirpated some species from certain places. Then the PEOPLE of this country, the sportsmen and women, pushed for legislation to regulate game and fish. State agencies were formed to regulate within their boundaries, which can not be done without funding. License sales fund game and fish restoration, regulation, conservation, education and enforcement. Without the sale of licenses you wouldn't have any fish to catch.


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Paying for a pistol permit IS sayin you have a right to defend yourself if you pay for it. There was a time when a person who concealed their pistol was looked at with suspicion and now a person who open carrys is looked at with suspicion. Pistol permits are an absolute intrusion on our 2A rights


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Actually, those fish aren't the governments. They are the fish of the people of the United States of America, managed by state (and in case of migratory species, federal) game agencies. Your license purchase allows you to have a unique transaction when you legally decide to kill your quarry, there is a silent, trusted transfer of the game ownership from the citizens of this great country to you. Much like our conservation, it is one of the unique events in history.

Hunters and anglers were the ones that demanded regulations on our fish and game, not government. If not for these visionary conservationists we'd have no fish or game to pursue.


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We should just police ourselves when it comes to managing our game and fish. Yep that will work. Let a jackass with a gill net wipe out the crappie in Lay lake and see how much hell will be raised.


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Originally Posted by Wiley Coyote
We own zero property or rights. We rent them from the guvment.


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This is a good explanation of where the money goes. I am happy to pay the license fee to be able to enjoy hunting and fishing in Alabama. It's a very small percentage of what I actually spend on my hunting gear, lease, etc.

"All Alabama fishing and hunting licenses expire on Aug. 31 each year, but where does all that money go?

In 1937, President Franklin Roosevelt signed the Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration Act, known as the Pittman-Robertson Act. The act placed excise taxes on the sale of firearms, ammunition and other products used for hunting, with proceeds to be distributed to states for wildlife restoration.

A similar law, the Federal Aid in Sport Fish Restoration Act of 1950, does the same thing for fishing products. And in 1984, Congress passed the Sport Fish Restoration & Boating Trust Fund to raise money for recreational boating.

“When Pittman-Robertson passed, legislators understood the importance of the hunting heritage and having wildlife in the country,” says Chuck Sykes, director of the Alabama Wildlife & Freshwater Fisheries Division. “Whenever anyone bought a gun or ammunition, the manufacturer paid a portion of that money into a trust fund administered by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to promote healthy wildlife populations.”

By the 1930s, decades of habitat destruction, land clearing and market hunting seriously depleted many wildlife populations. In 1900, fewer than 500,000 whitetail deer remained in the lower 48 states. Just 50 years ago, seeing a deer track in the woods almost made the news in many areas. Now, many states hold more than a million deer.

The federal government collects these excise taxes and returns money to each state, based upon its landmass and the total number of hunting and fishing licenses sold in that state. The more hunting and fishing licenses that a state sells, the more money comes back to the sportsmen of that state.

“It’s a three-to-one match,” Sykes says. “For every $1 we collect in license sales, Alabama receives $3 from the federal government.” States must spend money on an approved project, and the federal government reimburses the state 75 percent of that cost. “For instance, we if wanted to build a $1 million boat launching facility, Alabama must come up with the first $250,000.”

With this money, state conservation departments buy lands used for public hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, horseback riding, bicycling and other activities. States can also build boat launches, canoe and hiking trails and public shooting ranges as well as fund many other activities to promote outdoors recreation.

In Alabama, this money funds the Conservation Department, among other things. However, federal money cannot go to law enforcement. Therefore, the state must spend 66 percent of the money collected from license sales to fund conservation enforcement.

“The Alabama Department of Conservation and Natural Resources, with the exception of the state parks, receives NO tax dollars,” Sykes says. “We survive off of hunting and fishing license sales and federal monies attached to them.”

Non-resident hunting and fishing license sales also figure into the equation. Alabama sells more than 30,000 annual non-resident fishing licenses and another 25,000 short-term “trip” licenses each year. Hunters from other states buy about 12,000 licenses per year. Non-resident license sales generate more money for conservation efforts because they cost more. In addition, visiting sportsmen pay for lodging, fuel, supplies, food and other expenses during their visit, contributing more to the state economy.

“Hunters and fishermen are bearing the burden for everyone, not just in Alabama, but all across the country,” Sykes says. “People who don’t hunt or fish, but enjoy hiking, bird watching, canoeing or otherwise enjoying public land are not contributing to the upkeep and maintenance of that property or future purchases of public land unless they buy a license.”

That’s where the Alabama Wildlife Heritage License comes in. This license was designed for people who don’t hunt or fish, but who do want to contribute to the system and continue enjoying recreation on public lands. It’s an easy, affordable way to help conserve Alabama’s natural resources for future generations.

The license is $10.85 annually, or $220.25 for a lifetime license.

In Alabama, outdoors enthusiasts can visit more than 1.3 million acres of wildlife management areas and other public lands with habitats ranging from tidal marshes to mountains. Wildlife heritage license sales also qualify for federal reimbursement, so one person’s contribution actually goes much farther for the state’s conservation efforts.

For more information on buying wildlife heritage licenses, call 888-848-6887, or see www.outdooralabama.com/sites/default/files/licenses/WHLBrochure.pdf.

Previous generations passed a magnificent wild legacy to us. Now, it’s our turn to ensure the next generation enjoys the same experiences. The 2016-17 licenses should go on sale in late August wherever people buy sporting equipment. People can also buy licenses online. See www.outdooralabama.com/alabama-license-information."

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Buckridge, focus on the part where he says the gw will ticket you for something that is legal in the rule book.....

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Originally Posted by therealhojo
Originally Posted by sbo1971
i love the old “ If it wasn’t for government there wouldn’t be any deer to hunt or fish to catch” as if the govt is the answer to everything that’s wrong

We could ask the buffalo their thoughts on the subject.



Uhhhhhh....pretty sure the government actually promoted the killing of the buffalo to get the Indians out.

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So many here are short sighted. without the license, there would be no deer in Alabama. They were whipped out by over hunting. fish get stocked, parks built. You goobers are prime candidates to bitch about being hung with a new rope! If there had been no Mr Green Jeans, Fred wouldn't have any stories to tell! slap
Timber I don't think that was the gov't, that was mans greed for furs. Just like the greed for gold and stealing tretied lands from indians. Politicians may have been involved, but it wasn't a Gov't directive. We all know being a politician is being a very low form of life in many cases. Take McCain, on his deathbed and still lying his ass off. God speed on that journey you POS! He was the one that started the whole Russian collusion debacle.

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Originally Posted by leroycnbucks
We should just police ourselves when it comes to managing our game and fish. Yep that will work. Let a jackass with a gill net wipe out the crappie in Lay lake and see how much hell will be raised.


Exactly, then we can listen to the jackasses that went out and caught 500 a day every weekend bitch about how we don’t have crappie like we used to.

***that was sarcasm to add to Leroy’s eloquent sarcasm

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Originally Posted by Tigger85
You don't have to pay to fish or hunt on your own land.


If you got the land for free you don't.


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Originally Posted by AUstan23
Because this country has completely lost what freedom means.




This guy gets it.


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Honest question.

So given the option of paying a minuscule fee for the right to take game and fish resources, knowing your minuscule fee contributes to conservation OR not paying the fee, having no conservation department, and allowing people to do as they please, some of you would honestly choose the second option?

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Do you think game laws keep people from doing what they want?


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Though most would have disagreements with some laws/regs coming from the conservation dept its very stupid to say we don't need the conservation dept and to think people will be conservative in policing themselves when it comes to game and fish is insane


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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Honest question.

So given the option of paying a minuscule fee for the right to take game and fish resources, knowing your minuscule fee contributes to conservation OR not paying the fee, having no conservation department, and allowing people to do as they please, some of you would honestly choose the second option?



I'm not going to sit here and act like a hunting license is a big burden. But your scenario is a false dichotomy. If hunting licenses went away tomorrow, they'd find another way to pay your salary. The government likes to use all these arbitrary partitions, but they can move money around with the stroke of a pen.

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There is no law on the books that can convict the heart of a man with no integrity. So with that argument, let’s just do away with local law enforcement too. No state troopers to patrol the highways. No police departments to patrol our city streets. No sheriff to patrol our counties. We all want total anarchy!

And yes game laws keep some people from committing acts that the general populace agrees shouldn’t be done. If they didn’t there would be no game. History has proven that there must be legislation and an enforcement entity responsible for wildlife management or they will be overexploited. Red wolves, eastern cougars, black bears, passenger pigeons, elk, bison, wood ducks, deer, turkey, and many others are either not here today or suffered extreme population declines when the people were allowed to go unregulated. I don’t want to back down that path again. You’ve got to understand where we came from to understand why we are at the point we are today, and it’s obvious some people don’t have a clue about the conservation movement in North America. I can’t make it any more clear that it was HUNTERS and ANGLERS who demanded change, not the government. Yet there’s several posts on this thread after I and others made that clear, that talk about big government and the government being there to help. Of license sales stopped, Conservation depts ceased to exist, and the people had their way you wouldn’t have to worry about any of these conversations because there wouldn’t be anything to hunt or fish for.

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Originally Posted by Remington270

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I'm not going to sit here and act like a hunting license is a big burden. But your scenario is a false dichotomy. If hunting licenses went away tomorrow, they'd find another way to pay your salary. The government likes to use all these arbitrary partitions, but they can move money around with the stroke of a pen.


False. Without the sale of licenses and PR and DJ funds there would be no funding. We do not receive operating costs from the general fund and it would bankrupt the state if we relied on it. Have you not seen the recent legislation the last few years that tried to go after Conservation funding? The reason is because we are self sufficient as a department. The money we receive from licenses can not be used for anything other than its legally defined purpose, and politicians see that money, and want their share of it. The state government can not just stroke a pen and fund what we do.

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I understand your point. If cheating becomes too easy, many folks, even that would otherwise act with integrity, will begin to break the rules. It's just a question of how we get there, in terms of enforcement.

Many folks see the rules and laws of states out west, and it makes them sick to their stomach. Micro-management zones. A different weapon license for every season. Short seasons. There's a happy medium somewhere, but I'd hate to see us get like that.

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A bunch of anarchists up in here

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