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I think we should limit the non-resident to no more than 10 percent of SOA hunt slots, following the lead of our sister state Kentucky and its elk tag lottery.
I�ve long thought Alabama non-resident license fees should mirror whatever it costs an Alabama resident to hunt in that state.
For example, If it�s $200 for a Tennessee license for an Alabaman to hunt there, we charge them $200. If it�s $700 for an Alabama guy to hunt in New Mexico, it costs the New Mexican $700 to hunt here. It�ll never pass, but seems fair to me.
“Killing tomorrow’s trophies today.”
On the distance I like to walk to my stands:
“The first 100 yards is also the last 100 yards.”
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I thought the response was very thorough, honest, and professional. Don't see how anyone could honestly ask or expect anything more from a public service department.
I guess a lot of folks really do like the blow smoke, tell me what I want to hear even if it ain't true approach.
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The truth is painful sometimes.
Looking around, If I read it correctly a non-resident license in MS. to hunt deer with a bow/muzzleloader/primitive weapon would cost $300 big game, $75 bow charge, $5 deer permit and all 3 each carry some processing fees of just under $5(total of $15), so just under $400.
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I am an out of state hunter although I own a place and property in Alabama and pay property taxes. I buy out of state license for about $300 each year and I believe that to be fair. If I were "Alabama resident" hunting on my own property I would not have to buy license, The state is $300 ahead each year.
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Booner
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Without the out of state hunters $$$, the Bama residents would have a lot less hunting opportunities. could you explain that to me? I would think with less out of state hunters, residents would have more hunting opportunities.
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Without the out of state hunters $$$, the Bama residents would have a lot less hunting opportunities. could you explain that to me? I would think with less out of state hunters, residents would have more hunting opportunities. Pretty simple. Did you see how much $ NR hunters contribute to the budget? Without those funds we would have to cut programs, public lands and opportunity.
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Without the out of state hunters $$$, the Bama residents would have a lot less hunting opportunities. could you explain that to me? I would think with less out of state hunters, residents would have more hunting opportunities. Pretty simple. Did you see how much $ NR hunters contribute to the budget? Without those funds we would have to cut programs, public lands and opportunity. but wouldnt that pale in comparison to the amount of hunting land that was freed up from out of state hunters?
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I don�t think it would. How would taking NR hunters out of the equation increase resident license sales? You�d have to replace Each NR hunter with 14 resident license buyers to make up the difference. That ain�t happening.
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I don�t think it would. How would taking NR hunters out of the equation increase resident license sales? You�d have to replace Each NR hunter with 14 resident license buyers to make up the difference. That ain�t happening. only if you was trying to break even financially. That money might help with the wma's and such. But it it free up a pile of land, that locals could hunt on leased land. So for a person like me who dont hunt management land, I would have alot more opertunites for leased land. I'll give an example. A few years ago i checked on a club in barbour county. The whole club was FL hunters and they only wanted folks that lived a good ways away. So the 2 retired Fl guys who camped on it all of deer season could hunt it for themselves. He was telling me about all the clubs around their club, all Fl clubs. Same thing in my area, probably over half the land is out of state folks leasing. I just dont see how the out of state money benefits me, the least little bit.
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I don�t think it would. How would taking NR hunters out of the equation increase resident license sales? You�d have to replace Each NR hunter with 14 resident license buyers to make up the difference. That ain�t happening. only if you was trying to break even financially. That money might help with the wma's and such. But it it free up a pile of land, that locals could hunt on leased land. So for a person like me who dont hunt management land, I would have alot more opertunites for leased land. I'll give an example. A few years ago i checked on a club in barbour county. The whole club was FL hunters and they only wanted folks that lived a good ways away. So the 2 retired Fl guys who camped on it all of deer season could hunt it for themselves. He was telling me about all the clubs around their club, all Fl clubs. Same thing in my area, probably over half the land is out of state folks leasing. I just dont see how the out of state money benefits me, the least little bit. But the point of this thread is regarding SOA's...public land.
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So for a person like me who dont hunt management land, I would have alot more opertunites for leased land.
I just dont see how the out of state money benefits me, the least little bit.
A little selfish???  Ya, just forgot about all the Alabama residents who hunt public land and can�t afford to lease a place.
The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
Job 33:4
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i agree it does create some opportunities. But i dont think it provides more opportunities than it would without O.O.S.'s. In your case it might benefit you more, but I'm saying as a whole.
In regards to op. I would have probably felt the same way, but on the outside looking in. I think the lady has a point.
I also think the dcnr is more concerned about money than the resource.JMO
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On the contribution of dollars....You also have to take into consideration the matching power of the license revenue.. Thanks to the PR act, a lot of license revenue is eligible for a 3:1 federal match... Effectively turning $1 of license revenue into $4 (up to a certain extent)... Makes that non-resident dollar pretty valuable!!!!
Last edited by deerhunt1988; 01/24/18 10:13 AM.
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I also think the dcnr is more concerned about money than the resource.JMO
Ultimately it's always more about the money. There is no difference between the public or private sectors in that regard.
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I also think the dcnr is more concerned about money than the resource.JMO
OH SNAP!!!!!!! No you didn't!!!!
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