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Dear Alabama Resident, We received your email expressing concern over nonresidents being eligible to participate in the Alabama Wildlife & Freshwater Fisheries Division�s Adult Mentored Hunt Program. Out of state hunters are also eligible for permit selection in the limited quota hunts at Fred T. Stimpson and other Special Opportunity Areas. Permit selections are made by a computer-controlled, random process from a pool of both Alabama residents and nonresidents. Your inference that only tax-paying Alabama citizens should benefit from these programs reflects a potential misunderstanding of how we are able to provide them. We develop, maintain, and manage over 750,000 acres of public land using funds derived from hunting license sales and federal allocation of Pittman-Robertson Act dollars. An Alabama resident�s taxes do not support these programs as our Agency receives no Alabama General Fund tax dollars. Therefore, a nonresident who purchases an Alabama hunting license supports Alabama�s public land acquisition, wildlife management, and conservation enforcement efforts more than the average Alabama taxpayer. In addition, many Alabama hunters are license exempt (under 16, over 65, landowners and their immediate family), and so our programs are often supported more by one nonresident hunter than an entire Alabama family hunting their own land. Looking at numbers, nonresident hunters are as essential as resident hunters when it comes to enabling the management, protection, and conservation of Alabama�s wildlife resources. In addition to funding considerations, our sincere desire is for any sportsman to consider hunting Alabama, and we are eager to provide opportunities to our state residents and nonresidents alike. Please feel free to call me if you�d like to discuss this further or if you have any other questions about our programs. Thank you for your interest in the Alabama Wildlife & Freshwater Fisheries Division�s offerings and for your continued status as a valued hunter. Sincerely, ~Marianne Marianne Hudson Alabama Department of Conservation & Natural Resources Division of Wildlife & Freshwater Fisheries � Wildlife Section 334-242-1814 cid: [email protected]
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Eric, this is America. united we stand divided we fall. May of the Out of State hunters were born and raised in Bama too. Still own land there and pay taxes, yet we still have to buy out of state license. What about all the Bama hunters going fishing or hunting out of state. Do you want doors closed on them too? Think about it. Licenses and sportsmen fund the Dept of wildlife. They paid to bring whitetail back to Bama after they were nearly wiped out years ago. ALL SPORTSMAN must be united to continue to enjoy our favorite pastimes.
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Dear Alabama Resident, We received your email expressing concern over nonresidents being eligible to participate in the Alabama Wildlife & Freshwater Fisheries Division�s Adult Mentored Hunt Program. Out of state hunters are also eligible for permit selection in the limited quota hunts at Fred T. Stimpson and other Special Opportunity Areas. Permit selections are made by a computer-controlled, random process from a pool of both Alabama residents and nonresidents. Your inference that only tax-paying Alabama citizens should benefit from these programs reflects a potential misunderstanding of how we are able to provide them. We develop, maintain, and manage over 750,000 acres of public land using funds derived from hunting license sales and federal allocation of Pittman-Robertson Act dollars. An Alabama resident�s taxes do not support these programs as our Agency receives no Alabama General Fund tax dollars. Therefore, a nonresident who purchases an Alabama hunting license supports Alabama�s public land acquisition, wildlife management, and conservation enforcement efforts more than the average Alabama taxpayer. In addition, many Alabama hunters are license exempt (under 16, over 65, landowners and their immediate family), and so our programs are often supported more by one nonresident hunter than an entire Alabama family hunting their own land. Looking at numbers, nonresident hunters are as essential as resident hunters when it comes to enabling the management, protection, and conservation of Alabama�s wildlife resources. In addition to funding considerations, our sincere desire is for any sportsman to consider hunting Alabama, and we are eager to provide opportunities to our state residents and nonresidents alike. Please feel free to call me if you�d like to discuss this further or if you have any other questions about our programs. Thank you for your interest in the Alabama Wildlife & Freshwater Fisheries Division�s offerings and for your continued status as a valued hunter. Sincerely, ~Marianne Marianne Hudson Alabama Department of Conservation & Natural Resources Division of Wildlife & Freshwater Fisheries � Wildlife Section 334-242-1814 cid: [email protected] Heck yeah, let's close all these hunts to 'current' Alabama residents, they don't contribute enough.
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Exactly what part of that response don't you understand Eric?
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Who said I didn�t understand it. I don�t agree with it.
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All they're saying is that non-residents hunters contribute just as much as resident hunters (technically more from license sales per person), which is why they're allowed to hunt SOA's. I agree with it. You're allowed to apply for draw hunts in almost every state as an out of state resident.
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Yes ma'am may we have another!!
Basically a "screw you residents" and they will do what they want because Chuck says so! Good government mentality there Marianne!
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Who said I didn�t understand it. I don�t agree with it. Fair enough. We just disagree.
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You guys that don't agree with this, please state a logical argument as to why non-residents shouldn't be allowed to hunt SOA's.
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Who said I didn�t understand it. I don�t agree with it. It's basic economics. The state is about the $$$ and out of staters bring in way more than the locals. You want to know what I dont agree with..... I lived in AL for 30 years and own land in AL. My 21 yr old son, who is no longer an Alabama Resident, has to get an AL out of state license $306, to hunt on property that he grew up on and his daddy still owns, that he will end up inheriting some day. That's some BS right there. There is an exemption for immediate family members but only if they are AL residents.
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Who said I didn�t understand it. I don�t agree with it. It's basic economics. The state is about the $$$ and out of staters bring in way more than the locals. You want to know what I dont agree with..... I lived in AL for 30 years and own land in AL. My 21 yr old son, who is no longer an Alabama Resident, has to get an AL out of state license $306, to hunt on property that he grew up on and his daddy still owns, that he will end up inheriting some day. That's some BS right there. There is an exemption for immediate family members but only if they are AL residents. You should�ve bought a lifetime license for your son before he moved.
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Who said I didn�t understand it. I don�t agree with it. It's basic economics. The state is about the $$$ and out of staters bring in way more than the locals. You want to know what I dont agree with..... I lived in AL for 30 years and own land in AL. My 21 yr old son, who is no longer an Alabama Resident, has to get an AL out of state license $306, to hunt on property that he grew up on and his daddy still owns, that he will end up inheriting some day. That's some BS right there. There is an exemption for immediate family members but only if they are AL residents. You should�ve bought a lifetime license for yourself, and your son before you moved. I've had a lifetime license in AL since probably before you were born. Didnt think about getting him a lifetime because he was 3 yrs old when we moved.
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I'm a resident who has absolutely no interest in the SOA hunts.
I'll proudly relinquish my position to an out of state hunter
I hate making a good first impression. There’s no way I can keep that shit up.
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And I'm now an out of state hunter that has absolutely no interest in the SOA hunts.
I'll proudly relinquish my position to an in state hunter.
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Some of you goobers are just self centered. What about the draw hunts Bama hunters partake in in Illi or Kansas. You must live in a hole. This is America. You also have the right to spend your money in other states. SMH, I grew up thgere and every freaking year I've paid over $300 to hunt in Alabama. tell you what, why not a minimum requirement. You have to live there longer than ten years to qualify for a license? More small minded ideas. That please you?
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My position is not whether it is okay or not, it is the condescending attitude that is communicated from the State towards the residents, which by the way seems to come from the top down. Or, maybe that is just the general governmental employee attitude towards those that pay for their job!
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Dang man, haven't you also been talked down to when trying to buy a car tag? They always get an attitude when they work for the Gobment. Twelve people in the room. 8 to ten standing drinking coffee and the remaining working do the job, very slow! They get that way because it's almost impossible to fire crappy Gobment workers. you should visit the VA sometime, Soc Sec is terrible too.
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Some of you goobers are just self centered. What about the draw hunts Bama hunters partake in in Illi or Kansas. You must live in a hole. This is America. You also have the right to spend your money in other states. SMH, I grew up thgere and every freaking year I've paid over $300 to hunt in Alabama. tell you what, why not a minimum requirement. You have to live there longer than ten years to qualify for a license? More small minded ideas. That please you? I�ve hunted several states, and never was I treated like I was a resident. In most states residents are treated a notch above nonresidents. Not here. Nonresidents are equal to, or above.
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The people that are opposing this obviously don't understand the Pittman-Robertson act and how it works. It's federal money that comes from a "tax" on sales of bunting, sporting related items. It's the entire basis of the argument that conservation is funded by hunters. The state isn't paying for it
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I'm not an Alabama resident but I've hunted in Alabama my entire life. Grew up hunting in bama and will probably continue hunting in bama until I die. I pay my $300 non-resident license fee to hunt every year which gives me the ability to hunt on land just the same as a resident of Alabama. I think these SOA hunts are great and its no different than what many other states do. I did get selected for one of the SOA hunts but it wasn't the one that I really wanted to do so I declined but I will be applying next year as well.
It blows my mind that someone would have a problem with non-residents being able to participate in these hunts. Especially since none of the "resident" taxes fund these programs. These programs are funded by both resident and non-resident hunters and not general fund tax dollars.
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