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Exactly.....

That's rich.

Btw, Doekiller has chimed in on this subject and if you weren't so busy giving your low opinion of everyone else you could have read it.

I guess since you have no formal seminary education you will no longer be engaging in discussions with those who do, like PoorCountryPreacher. I'm also assuming you won't continue ranting about not being able to find a church with correct theology because these highly educated ministers don't have the grasp on it that you do. You know, because of education and all that stuff.

It's because of where you are. I don't know, I guess I'm just skewed because of where I hunt. It's normal and regular for me to be stopped anywhere on the post, told to step out of my truck, and have them inspect it like the DEA in a drug bust. they aren't announced ahead of time, you never know. You may come around a curve in the road and the MPs and game warden have it blocked. You know what it does???? It makes me DAMN sure not to do or possess anything illegal at any time.

So what is really different about that same thing happening at the intersection of the county roads in popular hunting locales? Pull up, roll your window down, show my license, have a nice day officer. Thanks for catching the outlaws, because the likelihood of you catching them somewhere else is like a needle in a haystack. I said this before...my common sense tells me this isn't "really" about the constitutionality of roadblocks. It seems more like another rebuff against GameCheck.

Man, you thought you had me, but unfortunately for you it was a bad example. For two reasons: First, biblical knowledge isn't (only) given by secular education or memorization. It is actually gifted and illuminated spiritually by the Holy Spirit. You know, most writers of scripture, for example, weren't seminary educated. Sorta makes you wonder how they knew stuff, eh? And second, I am equally correct and entitled to my theological views as is PCP to his, even if we differ slightly or greatly. Secular legality doesn't work that way. Furthermore, screw you. How do you know if I am or I ain't seminary educated? My father in law was a 40-year pastor, took and taught seminary level classes, and had a library the size of an enclosed two car garage. I'd say 25 years of association with him, and me now possessing most of that library, and actually practicing the stuff on an official church level, "pretty much" qualifies me to talk about it as much as a guy with a framed diploma. I am ordained, and have done everything at the church level except held the official office of pastor. Again, politely, screw you. I'll eat crow if I'm wrong, but I'm going to assume you've never spent much/any time studying, teaching, and speaking about laws and the constitution. It is totally normal and common for lay people to powerfully teach and preach scripture. It is not, however, normal or common for average Joes to try cases.

So what is really different about that same thing happening at the intersection of the county roads in popular hunting locales? Pull up, roll your window down, show my license, have a nice day officer. Thanks for catching the outlaws, because the likelihood of you catching them somewhere else is like a needle in a haystack. I said this before...my common sense tells me this isn't "really" about the constitutionality of roadblocks. It seems more like another rebuff against GameCheck.

ikillbux would fit in perfectly in North Korea.

Two things I am always surprised by on this board-

The amount of super intellectual, constitutional lawyers.
The amount of super wealthy, financial planning geniuses.

I reckon what's so surprising about it is that in my dealings with people in general, 99.9% have zero knowledge in either area. But 99% of y'all are boldly confident (actually arrogant and rebellious)about our laws and how they pertain to the most obscure details of life. And there's another thread about the stock market being up, and apparently most people on here are day traders who watch their 401k on a ticker and boldly know exactly what and when to do. "When the market hits X, I'm going to stratify my investments into blah, blah, blah..." Wow, just wow.

I have ZERO problem with a roadblock. Period. Whatsoever. In no way, ever, in reality or mental conception, does this trample on your "liberty". It is a way for authority to inspect what they expect. You are on a PUBLIC road, they are the authorities over said PUBLIC road. If the game warden wants to see my license and my pen, I've got it. Thank you, sir, for trying to catch the outlaws. Now, if he comes to my house and wants in for a "random inspection", THEN we have a problem.

I don't believe too many folks are against legal, prepared, by-the-book roadblocks when they're set up to catch drunks or try to find an escaped criminal.

Setting up a roadblock and GWs being present to ask drivers for a hunting license and "harvest" record when they are (1) not hunting, but are only driving, and (2) show no evidence of hunting, i/e no deer-coolers-gear-climbers in the vehicle, is the thrust of the argument.

Even if the vehicles are in an area where a WMA, refuge or national forest may have hunters exiting or driving through, that still doesn't hold water IMO. If law enforcement cannot stop vehicles from leaving a bar merely because they were at a bar and showed zero signs of other supsicious nature, swerving, etc. - or they cannot stop people from leaving a bar after it closes just because it's so late and "well, they must have been drinking!" - then how can they stop vehicles driving near public hunting land just to get a look-see without reasonable suspicion?

As Doekiller noted, no one has challenged this yet. When they do, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

Just a wee bit of difference in having strong opinions about deer hunting and having deep, comprehensive, and correct understanding of laws. Wouldn't be surprising if Doekiller or other folks, you know, who are ACTUAL ATTORNEYS, expressed points about these things. But when there are 100's of people on a deer hunting message board, many of us having little education, are wordy and adamant about laws and constitutionality, then it's just a little bit of an eye roll.

Now, for all I know, y'all might actually be right about all of it. I DON'T KNOW! My point wasn't really about the minutia of the laws, it was particularly about the supposed legal knowledge of common folk.

Man, you thought you had me, but unfortunately for you it was a bad example. For two reasons: First, biblical knowledge isn't (only) given by secular education or memorization. It is actually gifted and illuminated spiritually by the Holy Spirit. You know, most writers of scripture, for example, weren't seminary educated. Sorta makes you wonder how they knew stuff, eh? And second, I am equally correct and entitled to my theological views as is PCP to his, even if we differ slightly or greatly. Secular legality doesn't work that way. Furthermore, screw you. How do you know if I am or I ain't seminary educated? My father in law was a 40-year pastor, took and taught seminary level classes, and had a library the size of an enclosed two car garage. I'd say 25 years of association with him, and me now possessing most of that library, and actually practicing the stuff on an official church level, "pretty much" qualifies me to talk about it as much as a guy with a framed diploma. I am ordained, and have done everything at the church level except held the official office of pastor. Again, politely, screw you. I'll eat crow if I'm wrong, but I'm going to assume you've never spent much/any time studying, teaching, and speaking about laws and the constitution. It is totally normal and common for lay people to powerfully teach and preach scripture. It is not, however, normal or common for average Joes to try cases.

Did your father in law teach you to tell everyone to screw off in your time with him?

The fact of the matter is, even if you told them you had been hunting or where on your way to hunt. They can't charge you with any game violation they don't catch you committing.

Harvest record? How do they prove you didn't have it when you were hunting? Just because you don't have it with you when you are not hunting.

Pen? How do they know you didn't have a pen when you were hunting?

License? How do they prove you didn't have it on you when you were hunting?

Unless you has a deer in your truck and you have not recorded it on your harvest record or reported it to game check, there is no way for them to charge you with anything and have it not be thrown out.

Remember, they have to prove you guilty, you don't have to prove your innocent.