i have used cabbalas mt050 for years and thought it was great. Until i put on Sitka Fanatic Whitetail bibs and jacket. It is WAY warmer. The Primaloft insulation (synthetic down) is much warmer than Thinsulate. I was shocked how much warmer. in these super cold temps i wore core heavy weight unders with the Fanatic bibs and Jacket and Incinerator hat and stayed warm. Never needed my goose down layering jacket - state in the pac.